Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[bigmotherwhale]

I think you guys are missing what I'm trying to say.....I don't care who said what or why. I am sharing what I think based on what I see on the bench, what you could verify if that was your thing. Look at whats going on between the turns, see the flux or the lack there of....come to your own conclusions. Hopefully your conclusions will be similar to mine, and you can "do" something practical with those conclusions..

i think i get it correct me (again) if im wrong .... the coil acts as a capacitor or an inductor, under resonance, place the nodal points in the right relation to the magnet. and attach the source or drain at the respective points.

[erfinder]

I think you guys are missing what I'm trying to say.....I don't care who said what or why. I am sharing what I think based on what I see on the bench, what you could verify if that was your thing. Look at whats going on between the turns, see the flux or the lack there of....come to your own conclusions. Hopefully your conclusions will be similar to mine, and you can "do" something practical with those conclusions..

[aln]

As magnet wire is wrapped around a core it has the "potential" "capacity" puns intended, to be L and/or C. The resistance of the wire itself correlating to L and the dielectric of the enamel on the wire creates C.

The following is from Eric dollard
"dielectric lines of force push inward...the smaller the space bounded by the conducting structure the more energy that can be stored. This is the exact opposite of magnatism. With magnatism the units volumns of energy can be thought of as working in parallel but the units volumn of energy in association with dielectricity can be thought of as working in series," "voltage is to dieelectricity as current is to magnatism"

There is more, but I have no time to type. Aln

[bigmotherwhale]

I want you guys to come to the same or at the very least "similar" conclusions that I came to. It's not going to be easy for you, but you have to try, or you won't get anything out of any of this. I could show you how to build what I built but what higher purpose would it serve? We must begin to "SEE" what's there, that which has always been right in front of us.

I share my most basic view of what I see happening between the turns, this same information you can find on the net, and even test on your bench. This observation brings us to the following......

Repulsion = magnetic field
Attraction = dielectric field

In the end we are trying to establish the case for L and C. Where they are, why they are where they are. Good useful layman speculation, stuff we can use, stuff we can engineer.


Regards

Thankyou! I am thinking the same. electricity is indeed as Dollard says, reflectors are much more accurate representation.

[erfinder]

sorry brain must have reached tdc,
i was waiting for that one, differences? i cant see any!

THAT'S MY MAN!!!

You don't see one....because there isn't one!

[erfinder]

apparently not....

In my opinion....and I've tested it......there is no difference....they are all demonstrating the exact same thing....this means if we understand whats being suggested with these "alternative" typologies, we can make use of them in conventional machines.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

seriously?

sorry brain must have reached tdc,
i was waiting for that one, differences? i cant see any!

[bigmotherwhale]

the window motor is a monopole? the difference is the polarity of the magnets?

apparently not....

[erfinder]

the window motor is a monopole? the difference is the polarity of the magnets?

seriously?

[erfinder]

this repulsion between the coils, is like a pressure, this pressure, just like any pressure or density is the resistance to the body moving through it, and will be when two like poles are present, when the current is moving in the same direction

attraction is a vacuity and has the least resistance, when current is moving in the opposite direction and there are opposite poles

the question is, if the pressure is low and the current is moving in opposite directions the external field of the coil will also be "cancelled" how do we balance these forces and still have an external field? does this relate to our all important impedance mismatch? i think it does

what you speak of reminds me of the magnetic holder as these two are split and on the same core, but there is more than one way of achieving this.

any thoughts?

I want you guys to come to the same or at the very least "similar" conclusions that I came to. It's not going to be easy for you, but you have to try, or you won't get anything out of any of this. I could show you how to build what I built but what higher purpose would it serve? We must begin to "SEE" what's there, that which has always been right in front of us.

I share my most basic view of what I see happening between the turns, this same information you can find on the net, and even test on your bench. This observation brings us to the following......

Repulsion = magnetic field
Attraction = dielectric field

In the end we are trying to establish the case for L and C. Where they are, why they are where they are. Good useful layman speculation, stuff we can use, stuff we can engineer.


Regards

[erfinder]

Erfinder,

So, instead of using DC for control on the Mag Amp you meant pulsing it, right ?

Lman

Because its not operating like a Mag Amp as we understand the them, we don't see the pulsed DC into the motor as control, we choose to forget the AC is even present till its presence begins to have a negative impact on our consumption.

Once you add a reactor to the motor, a real one.....your motor behaves like a Mag Amp in the true sense. The applied DC (the reactor clones the source and produces new sources......thanks to self-induction) can be seen as control. The AC generated by the motor can assist the supply. Here we have a situation where the induced has changed its phase relation to the supply and is no longer in opposition with it. The same can be said of the induced from the collapsing field, but this is another story, one which we cannot get into till you have a reactor.

This is how I interpret my experience.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

Just to be clear, my desire isn't to just speculate on technologies that the authorities can discuss with us! It is their job to talk about their work, not ours to speculate on it. I offer speculation in the absence of their leadership. I have studied the documents and the patents, I have also built machines to test my theories, those are the machines I am versed in.

What is the fundamental difference between the window motor and the zero force? What is the difference between these two, and a standard DC motor as depicted in the attached image? Practical application is my aim, I am not interested in reinventing the wheel. We are being led to conclude that those who came before us didn't have what it takes. They left us with flawed science, and machines based on those flawed ideas? IF you can spot the zeroforce or window in the present day DC motor, you are well on your way! I have built every motor suggested, save two...and with each build I gained a new appreciation for what mainstream thinkers of Tesla's era left us with. There is nothing wrong with what they left us with. IF it was flawed like we are led to believe.....would we be using them today......

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Regards

the window motor is a monopole? the difference is the polarity of the magnets?

[erfinder]

it looks like there are two windings on each coil of the zero force motor, at least it looks like there are two different colour coils, any idea why this differs from the tesla motor? is this for collection?

there is one similarity to the Flynn motor the polarity of the magnetic flux in the core is the same, they are opposed, as i comprehend it it should create an excess of potential in the core material changing the bh curve, and the saturation point, i have no idea what this would actually do or if this is correct.

i did try to build something like this toroid but it used the tpu(?) coil layout where there was a heavy gauge coil a light gauge coil and a coil around the inner and outer circumference, despite taking hours and hours to wrap the coil i couldn't get it to work.

Just to be clear, my desire isn't to just speculate on technologies that the authorities can discuss with us! It is their job to talk about their work, not ours to speculate on it. I offer speculation in the absence of their leadership. I have studied the documents and the patents, I have also built machines to test my theories, those are the machines I am versed in.

What is the fundamental difference between the window motor and the zero force? What is the difference between these two, and a standard DC motor as depicted in the attached image? Practical application is my aim, I am not interested in reinventing the wheel. We are being led to conclude that those who came before us didn't have what it takes. They left us with flawed science, and machines based on those flawed ideas? IF you can spot the zeroforce or window in the present day DC motor, you are well on your way! I have built every motor suggested, save two...and with each build I gained a new appreciation for what mainstream thinkers of Tesla's era left us with. There is nothing wrong with what they left us with. IF it was flawed like we are led to believe.....would we be using them today......




Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

What is resonance? I know how its defined in the text book but what is it in reality, on the bench?

Its said that there's no phase relation between the applied and the induced, doesn't them being opposed to one another (DC motor) suggest a 180 degree phase relation between the two?

We should look to the "between the turns relations" in coils. Here in conventionally connected solenoids, we observe how the flux spins CW around one half of the coil, and CCW around the other half. Is this significant? I think it is, because these two opposing vortex generate that which we identify with as the pole we find on the face of the magnet, or coil. Between the turns we find the field is moving in such a manner that repulsion takes place between turns, the flow is concentrated in the very center of the solenoid, and outside the solenoid. The flow through the core is opposite to the flow moving outside the core. Together the inner and outer flow constitute one flow, both inner and outer flows are unidirectional. I find it fascinating that there is little or no flow between turns, the bulk of the flux being in the core and outside, and yet, a massive repulsive force is made manifest between the turns.....The general rule of thumb I now go by is if there is repulsion between turns, CEMF will be high, and the generator will oppose the prime mover. If there is attraction between the turns, the CEMF will be low, and the generator either assists the prime mover or has no effect on the prime mover.

Where CEMF is, is the soul of the machine, it is the governor, if you take it away, you have nothing. We blame current limiting on CEMF..... I say CEMF is the "measure" of the opposition experienced in the system, it is not the thing doing the opposing. Do not limit CEMF, increase it! Its our design, and our understanding which is flawed. The mechanism responsible for current limiting does what it does. Its present for a reason! Removing it from the body is likened to removing an organ that we in our infinite wisdom have concluded "has no use"!?

The spike.....inductive kickback.....here is where we leave Kansas. To a force which can overcome any impedance....impedance becomes synonymous with conductivity....

In my opinion there are no facts, no fact givers.....all we have is speculation, if we had facts, we would be in a Utopia. The question I ask often, is can we build on this speculation.......


Regards

this repulsion between the coils, is like a pressure, this pressure, just like any pressure or density is the resistance to the body moving through it, and will be when two like poles are present, when the current is moving in the same direction

attraction is a vacuity and has the least resistance, when current is moving in the opposite direction and there are opposite poles

the question is, if the pressure is low and the current is moving in opposite directions the external field of the coil will also be "cancelled" how do we balance these forces and still have an external field? does this relate to our all important impedance mismatch? i think it does

what you speak of reminds me of the magnetic holder as these two are split and on the same core, but there is more than one way of achieving this.

any thoughts?

[Lman]

erfinder,
Could you elaborate on what you meant by pulsed AC ??? As far as I understand Mag Amps, you control DC which in turn saturates the core, which controls the flow of the AC. But Pulsed AC ?!? You mean something like amplitude modulated ??

Thanks
Lman

Your motor is generating AC. You are superimposing a DC signal onto....into.... that AC signal, generally at the peak of the induced. In the absence of a power supply, your motor is an experiment in coil shorting, short circuiting the coil at the peak of the induced wave.


Regards

Erfinder,

So, instead of using DC for control on the Mag Amp you meant pulsing it, right ?

Lman