Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[bigmotherwhale]

No magnets in the stator. The zero force is in my opinion Tesla's Electro Magnetic Motor patented in 1888. 381,968. The 21st century version is now operated as a DC machine. It has a DC supply, and a transistor based commutator. The rotor was also upgraded, the new rotor has permanent magnets.

It's being said that these devices don't generate CEMF. Build one and see....they do generate CEMF.

My machine could be considered as a zero force hybrid. Tesla demonstrates in the patent that both the orthogonal poles and regular poles are to be used, following in his lead, I use both. The thing to remember is this topology is as old as the motor itself. The concept was abandoned.....why? The simple answer, a better way of doing the same thing was found, if you work with it long enough, you see why they dropped this concept for salient poles.


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it looks like there are two windings on each coil of the zero force motor, at least it looks like there are two different colour coils, any idea why this differs from the tesla motor? is this for collection?

there is one similarity to the Flynn motor the polarity of the magnetic flux in the core is the same, they are opposed, as i comprehend it it should create an excess of potential in the core material changing the bh curve, and the saturation point, i have no idea what this would actually do or if this is correct.

i did try to build something like this toroid but it used the tpu(?) coil layout where there was a heavy gauge coil a light gauge coil and a coil around the inner and outer circumference, despite taking hours and hours to wrap the coil i couldn't get it to work.

[erfinder]

is the zero force motor like the Flynn Motor? are there magnets hiding in the toroid? does anyone know

No magnets in the stator. The zero force is in my opinion Tesla's Electro Magnetic Motor patented in 1888. 381,968. The 21st century version is now operated as a DC machine. It has a DC supply, and a transistor based commutator. The rotor was also upgraded, the new rotor has permanent magnets.

It's being said that these devices don't generate CEMF. Build one and see....they do generate CEMF.

My machine could be considered as a zero force hybrid. Tesla demonstrates in the patent that both the orthogonal poles and regular poles are to be used, following in his lead, I use both. The thing to remember is this topology is as old as the motor itself. The concept was abandoned.....why? The simple answer, a better way of doing the same thing was found, if you work with it long enough, you see why they dropped this concept for salient poles.


Regards

[erfinder]

as far as comprehend what has been said, N + S = 0 and that is the basis of the machine, if you have two coils in series resonance and one is for example twice the size of the other, one will be 180 degrees out of phase so they will always have the opposite poles and therefore create a void in between the two?(and for very little input i might add, just a tickle) so the rotor magnet wont be attracted to it anymore, as they have already reached equilibrium, turn this effect on and off by moving the position of the coils in the circuit.
Back emf really doesn't have anything to do with it as there will be none if the system is doing what we want, the radiant spike everyone talks about is just the magnetic potentials attempt to maintain current in the system so the voltage will rise, its normal in phase electricity - put a resistive load across and there is power - the current is maintained and the voltage wont rise. the voltage generated depends entirely on the resistance.
electricity is generation and magnetism degeneration, all they want to do is reach equilibrium.
just some thoughts i really don't know anything, this is currently speculation.

What is resonance? I know how its defined in the text book but what is it in reality, on the bench?

Its said that there's no phase relation between the applied and the induced, doesn't them being opposed to one another (DC motor) suggest a 180 degree phase relation between the two?

We should look to the "between the turns relations" in coils. Here in conventionally connected solenoids, we observe how the flux spins CW around one half of the coil, and CCW around the other half. Is this significant? I think it is, because these two opposing vortex generate that which we identify with as the pole we find on the face of the magnet, or coil. Between the turns we find the field is moving in such a manner that repulsion takes place between turns, the flow is concentrated in the very center of the solenoid, and outside the solenoid. The flow through the core is opposite to the flow moving outside the core. Together the inner and outer flow constitute one flow, both inner and outer flows are unidirectional. I find it fascinating that there is little or no flow between turns, the bulk of the flux being in the core and outside, and yet, a massive repulsive force is made manifest between the turns.....The general rule of thumb I now go by is if there is repulsion between turns, CEMF will be high, and the generator will oppose the prime mover. If there is attraction between the turns, the CEMF will be low, and the generator either assists the prime mover or has no effect on the prime mover.

Where CEMF is, is the soul of the machine, it is the governor, if you take it away, you have nothing. We blame current limiting on CEMF..... I say CEMF is the "measure" of the opposition experienced in the system, it is not the thing doing the opposing. Do not limit CEMF, increase it! Its our design, and our understanding which is flawed. The mechanism responsible for current limiting does what it does. Its present for a reason! Removing it from the body is likened to removing an organ that we in our infinite wisdom have concluded "has no use"!?

The spike.....inductive kickback.....here is where we leave Kansas. To a force which can overcome any impedance....impedance becomes synonymous with conductivity....

In my opinion there are no facts, no fact givers.....all we have is speculation, if we had facts, we would be in a Utopia. The question I ask often, is can we build on this speculation.......


Regards

[erfinder]

erfinder, thanks for your 2 answers. You mentioned intuition several times. I am an ENFP - the most intuitive of the 16 Briggs Myers types. I have saved all your comments in this thread and committed them over to intuition already LOL
You said in an answer to another that you have given tips on switching- the how, when, where, and why. Where is that posted at? thanks Alan

Hello Alan,

All of those posts which described the system I designed were removed from both forums. I will not reload any of that information, too time consuming. The terms I use when describing when and where to switch are tailored to my system.

To answer your question.

How

• System should be configured in such a manner that it alternates between points that I call junctions and regular poles, the difference is clearly established in my system. Junctions are equatorial poles, the forces at these poles work radially. Generally the number of equatorial poles equals the number of normal poles. This works, however, the number of equatorial poles should be greater than the number of normal poles, making the system more asymmetrical, more non-linear. As ones understanding of the existence and function equatorial poles increases, it becomes clear that their number should increase.

Where

• Switching must take place at the point of maximum induced potential, (JTDC junction top dead center). JTDC is also the point of maximum torque at start up.

Why is is a question that requires some thought on your part. For me its all about CEMF. In my opinion, CEMF isn't just generator action, it is a measure of the strain found in the exchange between the system L and C. If L is changing, so is C. The system isn't limited to the values that we measure, the system is dynamic, the supporting evidence of this is in how the coil behaves when current or voltage moving through it changes, note the wave shapes when these changes are made. Think about that...then formulate questions.


Regards

[Radiantnrg]

erfinder, thanks for your 2 answers. You mentioned intuition several times. I am an ENFP - the most intuitive of the 16 Briggs Myers types. I have saved all your comments in this thread and committed them over to intuition already LOL
You said in an answer to another that you have given tips on switching- the how, when, where, and why. Where is that posted at? thanks Alan

[Tom C]

erfinder,

On a few occasions these days the browser would not load at all the forum for a while. It is possible that you have not been blocked and the problem is somewhere else. Just wanted to share that so that a misunderstanding does not turn into something bigger.

Lman

yup happened over here too.

Tom C

[erfinder]

erfinder,

On a few occasions these days the browser would not load at all the forum for a while. It is possible that you have not been blocked and the problem is somewhere else. Just wanted to share that so that a misunderstanding does not turn into something bigger.

Lman

It's possible..but, not likely the case. It's up and running again. No love lost.


Regards

[erfinder]

erfinder,
Does the zero force motor fit your ideas of how things should really work by not creating any back emf in the first place that needs to be "captured" or recycled back into the system? JB says the zero force motor does not create any back emf and is not switched by magnets. It uses the Bedini Ron Cole bipolar switch that can use the Hal sensors you really like. Bedini also says energy can be collected by the zero force motor just like the others. If no back emf is being produced then where is the energy coming from that is being collected? Is any one making a zero force motor and showing exactly how it works?

I am a fan of the authorities here, however I don't agree with everything. CEMF is not being placed in the right light. It's seen as a bad thing, and I don't think this is right. I feel justified in saying this and find support from JB himself. He was granted a patent which capitalizes on generating CEMF. I have found that we want to maximize the CEMF in a system, not reduce it! My machines are similar to the zero force, and window machines, and don't have reduced CEMF unless I configure the windings specifically so that the CEMF is reduced. The CEMF should be seen as the strain setup inside of a mechanism which is the electrical equivalent of a flywheel. This mechanism is already opposing changes in current, limiting the amount supplying the motor, with the proper understanding we can manipulate this mechanism so that we experience an increase in consumption with increasing RPM, a motor which under normal circumstances is current limited by the CEMF uses the CEMF to increase the consumption with increasing RPM. As this mechanism is a flywheel, we can discharge it, using its energy to recharge the buffer and recovery capacitors. We must comprehend and then command the flywheel, that's why its there! Till you command it, it will do what it supposed to do....limit current. When you command it, it will still do it's job, the difference is, instead of limiting currents decrease, it limits the rate at which the current increases.

CEMF is not inductive kickback. The latter is a completely different animal, one which is totally misunderstood, one of the most important things I have found about it is not what it is, but what it symbolizes! Inductive kickback is the game changer, but not in collecting it, its a game changer when we comprehend what it embodies!


Regards

[Lman]

erfinder,

On a few occasions these days the browser would not load at all the forum for a while. It is possible that you have not been blocked and the problem is somewhere else. Just wanted to share that so that a misunderstanding does not turn into something bigger.

Lman

[bigmotherwhale]

Nice work Krill! you can really see the magnetic amplifier in effect on the scope.. good build too, i take it your using neo magnets? do you find the flatter coils work better with the neos because of there Field shape?

[OrthoParameter]

erfinder, I was about to get the 2 recommended books on this site and then found this thread. Thanks much aln for starting it! I think you are onto many valuable out of the box concepts. This could get very politically incorrect but I am going risk asking you any way as I am the same type of thinker as you are. From your perspective and all you have learned what do you recommend for beginners to do in relation to "bedini type" devices? Where do we start research and building? Do we get the recommended books or look elsewhere? Do you have videos posted any where or can you recommend sites and or channels you like? PM me if this is too controversial. Thanks Alan

Alan,
I do not speak for Erfinder but I know he would never try to steer you from the information available on this site. His inspiration is directly derived from John Bedini's work as well as his hero and mine.... Tesla. He has spent thousands of dollars buying their books and DVD's. He has spent ten years learning what he now knows.

I started talking to Steve on Skype almost two years ago. At that time, I had just put all my free money into a chicken coop, a raised bed garden, and a shed. I was so impressed by his knowledge, his humor, and candid nature (not to mention his work) that I offered to GIVE him $500 cash with no expectation of receiving anything in return. He REFUSED my offer and said that he would rather wait until I had enough money to get his kit so that I could fully share the information he wanted to impart. That is how unselfish and wise this man is.

I did exactly as he wished and today, just today, I received my much anticipated package from Germany. It is a beautiful piece of workmanship.

Steve is one of the nicest and most intelligent people you could ever hope to meet in one lifetime. Outside of my wife, I consider him to be my very best friend. My wife and I are in the planning stages right now for trip to Germany next year after Oktoberfest to meet him and his wife in person.

If you wish to know me and what I am doing, send a pm, I am not good at inspiring others to greatness and I wish to return to the woodwork and return this thread to the OP.

[erfinder]

erfinder,
Could you elaborate on what you meant by pulsed AC ??? As far as I understand Mag Amps, you control DC which in turn saturates the core, which controls the flow of the AC. But Pulsed AC ?!? You mean something like amplitude modulated ??

Thanks
Lman

Your motor is generating AC. You are superimposing a DC signal onto....into.... that AC signal, generally at the peak of the induced. In the absence of a power supply, your motor is an experiment in coil shorting, short circuiting the coil at the peak of the induced wave.


Regards

[Lman]

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John's wish has always been that you figure it out and share, it keeps him (john) alive and his family safe. I know you think that is a strange comment but I have seen the guys that have threatened him up close and personal just a couple of years ago, so I know it is real.

Tom C,

Your post confirms what I was thinking since a long time and at the same time makes me sad. It is kind of intuitive to get to realize all this seeing how the man shares everything with us.

A little off-topic :
Few months ago a scientist in the country of the rising sun made a breaktrough in stem cell research. She would literally take a damaged cell from an adult body, treat it and repair it so when returned to the body it starts to copy itself and rejuvenates the body. Hope you realize what that means. Two weeks after that she was accused that this was a lie. And now ... it was announced that she has been found dead. Was it a lie or ... some people interfered ?
End of off-topic

If that caught the attention of somebody please just think about it and do not respond here.
May be it is a good idea to have a section in the forum for various topics like that.

Guys, we live in a dark times. The world is getting uglier day by day. What we thought yesterday was a miracle or impossible, today is a fact but many things are hidden from the society.
The only way that we prevail is to share, care for each other and help.


Lman

[erfinder]

To all:
My intent in this thread was stated in my first post, but to clarify I would like to disect Erfinder's comments as related to the effect he has found and the science of it as well as related sciences. I care not for the dialogue of ego's or delivery of message. Who cares about that stuff if we can all get that effect! So as was stated let us get to work.

Erfinder,
I am happy that you are still around and I have seen all your pictures and video's from the last year. My intent as stated in the first post of this thread continues to be played out and I am glad you are still around to spark discussion; to prod us to ponder, and chanllenge us as well.

I do have a request of you for the sake of those interested in your effects and how you came to your conclusions. With no expectations of you as I am a nobody really, with no pull with anyone on this forum, I respectfully ask you not to get into a wrestling match with Tom C. on this forum as you will lose, and then we will lose your insight here. I am intently researching suggestions made by you, in combination with comments made by J.B. and those endorsed by the administers of this forum. I have nothing worth sharing...yet... but, I need to get a scope (and learn how to use it) soon to run some tests.


Edit: looks like I may have been too late

I am glad you started this thread. You cannot have the info without the ego.....why ego is seen as a bad thing is beyond me...The work...what is the work? What am I trying to do? What do I have? What have I demonstrated? How does it differ from what's already been demonstrated? There are a few souls here who don't agree with me, its OK. I have no beef with anyone. I will not accept being told to do as I am told when it comes to researching, and don't recommend that folks just do as they are told. The impulse giver didn't do as he was told? Think about that! I will defend you and any other from those who tell us to not think for ourselves, if that means a wrestling match so be it. I desire progress, this is a platform for expressing ones opinion, and sharing ones ideas in a civil manner, it is also about independence, I thought it was anyway. We are all here because dogma drove us here, whose dogma? From my perspective, it seems we are becoming skilled at dropping a given dogma and picking up someone else's!? Who is checking the info?

Awesome thread!


Regards

[erfinder]

Kiril,
I believe Erfinder was deleating his own comments, as he felt a lack of understanding and interest from the rest of us. What Tom just posted validates what Erfinder has been doing for me.

"I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot." -Tom

Let us figure this out and implement it, it is not out of our reach. Aln

Uh....no my posts were modified, not by me, by Tom C.....I saw the change and edited it again. Regarding Tom's comment about knowing what I am doing....he knows no more than you.


Regards