Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[Radiantnrg]

where do beginers go from here?

erfinder, I was about to get the 2 recommended books on this site and then found this thread. Thanks much aln for starting it! I think you are onto many valuable out of the box concepts. This could get very politically incorrect but I am going risk asking you any way as I am the same type of thinker as you are. From your perspective and all you have learned what do you recommend for beginners to do in relation to "bedini type" devices? Where do we start research and building? Do we get the recommended books or look elsewhere? Do you have videos posted any where or can you recommend sites and or channels you like? PM me if this is too controversial. Thanks Alan

[bob smith]

JB supports what I found on my own, what any of you could have found. This concept led me to understand that the phase of the collapse event can be shifted! ... In my opinion, Lenz informs us of how not to build a system.

Words to ruminate on! Thanks for the comments.
Bob

[erfinder]

you mean a 90 degree phase shift of the collapse event in a properly configured system?

the layout you suggest - orthogonal motor generator means one is a copy of the other?

Collapsing field.....not sinusoidal, this is new territory...how does phase apply to the potential generated by a collapsing magnetic field? Your guess will probably be as good as mine. I accomplished this with two solenoid coils. One coil was high inductance the other was low inductance they were operated as one coil. More important than what I did, was what came from it......my opinion.

Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

you mean a 90 degree phase shift of the collapse event in a properly configured system?

the layout you suggest - orthogonal motor generator means one is a copy of the other?

[erfinder]

Thats a Bit unfair erfinder, he does have something to offer after all he is making ethanol bio-fuel

and of course unproductive comments....

what do you think of the demon motor erfinder or anyone else? and also the interferometry and coil sizing of the three coil spool JB ferris wheel

What I meant was he has nothing productive to add to this conversation. It wasn't an insult, and honestly, this is my area of interest, not bio fuel.

Regarding the ferris wheel....I have no idea what JB is demonstrating. It's why I always say my opinion. What I know is what I have experienced while trying to comprehend his message. Coil sizing is an interesting concept I call it impedance mismatching. By doing it proper, all of the inductive collapse is shifted so that a greater percentage of the recoverable energy leaves the circuit either at the compression point at the diode, or the pick up coil. In a video ErikN built machine that he said would not run, he took it to JB and they ended up adding a coil, the coils were not the same impedance. ErikN said in the video that they needed the extra coil to get the device to run, JB said the same thing, then a few minutes into his talk, he says he did it so that they could get the power out???!?!?! JB supports what I found on my own, what any of you could have found. This concept led me to understand that the phase of the collapse event can be shifted! This was one of the most important things that I have observed, it becomes important in more complex systems incorporating self regulating reactance, enter the SG, the SG in my opinion is a very basic embodiment of a self regulating reactor, but not designed to do what it could do.

Three coils shifted is important because of how it relates to the generator action in the system. The offset reveals the truth about Lenz's law, after recognizing what this configuration does, I began to see Lenz's law as being nothing more than an observation, an observed limitation in improperly configured systems. In my opinion, Lenz informs us of how not to build a system.

My two cent....I could say more but don't want to put any of you to sleep....


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

This is exactly what I mean...you have nothing to offer......unfortunate.

Thats a Bit unfair erfinder, he does have something to offer after all he is making ethanol bio-fuel

and of course unproductive comments....

what do you think of the demon motor erfinder or anyone else? and also the interferometry and coil sizing of the three coil spool JB ferris wheel

[erfinder]

Oh ok THAT'S what this forum is for...I had forgotten.

I could've sworn I typed erfinderscondescendingresponses.com in my address bar.

Thanks for reminding me.

This is exactly what I mean...you have nothing to offer......unfortunate. Think what you want about me....I want you to see what I see, and I know you will.....eventually.... I have seen what you see, and am not impressed. I am trying to see what's being suggested by those who inspired both of us, and for this, my effort, you insult me. I don't mean to come across like I know more than you, its just that darn bench of mine you know....those results I keep blah blah blahing about....demonstrates that I can do something that you can't, you could....maybe....but to do so, you have to start looking at my rants as being more than just garbage...... It's you who bars you from seeing what I see, as if you are interested....I mean, you said it yourself, you read my "garbage", for all the wrong reasons, but you read it....good enough for me, the seed is sown. More important than my being able to "do" something is layman explanation of what I am doing, and its relation to mainstream. We are sooo ready to throw everything we know away to adopt something.....cant call it anything other than something, because it has no foundation..... I say....lets not burn the text books yet.....

The thing you need to recognize is right now you are protecting someone else's interests, and its in their best interest that you stay right where you are, blind, and helpless, beak open, waiting to be fed. I want the opposite for you, and want this in spite of your insulting me, and taking what I say personally. Anyway...I think I have given you enough attention.....Sooooo......back to typing garbage, garbage for you to digest at your leisure.


Regards

[Branch Gordon]

Oh ok THAT'S what this forum is for...I had forgotten.

I could've sworn I typed erfinderscondescendingresponses.com in my address bar.

Thanks for reminding me.

If its nonsense, why even comment Gordon...this exchange....this one right here between you and I...this is nonsense. Show me your projects doing what I show you, show me anything other than that which I can find in a quick Google search.

[bigmotherwhale]

Erfinder, I was wondering if you could type out a few more lengthy paragraphs of non-sensical garbage? I really love staying up to date on your feelings.

I find erfinders comments extremely valuable and very thought provoking, it has helped me a great deal in my research, which i feel has come along way thanks to him, whether its garbage to you is a matter of opinion, but this forum is about the FREE EXCHANGE of ideas and thought.

if you dont like it i dont understand why are you looking on this thread at all?

anyone provide me with something that amazes me and is unique and then a thread might be started about your comments instead, and sure enough people will be there putting you down, after all were only human

[erfinder]

Erfinder, I was wondering if you could type out a few more lengthy paragraphs of non-sensical garbage? I really love staying up to date on your feelings.

If its nonsense, why even comment Gordon...this exchange....this one right here between you and I...this is nonsense. Show me your projects doing what I show you, show me anything other than that which I can find in a quick Google search.

[Branch Gordon]

Erfinder, I was wondering if you could type out a few more lengthy paragraphs of non-sensical garbage? I really love staying up to date on your feelings.

[erfinder]

As most are aware, there are two fundamental winding relationships presently practiced in the DC motor and a combination of these two results in a third.

• Shunt connection
• Series connection
• Compound connection

We are trained to see what we want to see, and not what's there. I try to see what is there. In my opinion, a motor is an electro-mechanical representation of an LC. One can begin to realize the reality of this when one makes a careful analysis of the motors relation to the supply when operating at top RPM, in a no load condition. Once we begin to see and accept this new view, hopefully, without question, we can begin to approach the motor topologies as follows:

• Shunt connection = Parallel LC
• Series connection = Series LC
• Compound connection = Series-Parallel LC

Now many of you are clever, and will make that fatal assumption that most make and ride a rocket of your own creation (figuratively speaking) to the moon just with this little tidbit. Fight that urge. If you fly off before anything has even been said, you will miss the significance of it all. There is more to the phenomena we identify with as resonance, more than we have ever considered before, well, more than I ever considered. A system of proper conception will behave as if it is all three of the above named. It should be clear that systems as we observe them today already exhibit the behavior of all three of these systems, save one, the series connection.

Its been suggested that I am sharing my thoughts with a wall, there is some truth to this, however, I will not give up on you. I liken you to an infinite impedance, and myself as the force which can overcome any impedance, we all know this force, I therefore know many of you will eventually come around. There is more going on than what you all are preoccupied with. Many demand plans and schematics, saying that they cannot proceed till these things are made available. I say, your job is to comprehend what I am sharing, through a combined effort. I supply you with the tools you need to see what I would like for you to see! All you have to do is observe. The only effort I require from you is that you exercise your mind in ways which you haven't been "motivated" to till now, leave the building to me.

stop violating forum rules and the requests of the forum owner.

Tom C

[OrthoParameter]

Then moving forward, my request, nay.... my challenge remains for the seekers among us to understand the message. There have been many but this is my favorite and a good place to start. In this message there are clear, unambiguous clues to what he has already shown me. Seeking is the only method of Finding!

There are exceptions to this as I am sure you are well aware, however, as this is specifically about the SG, and doing as one is instructed, the exceptions are irrelevant. The part about the device not being a generator I cannot accept, and no one who has worked with this machine and similar embodiments should blindly accept this "idea" that the device isn't a generator when the facts indicate that it is. The device has generator written all over it. Aren't you taking advantage of generator action to turn on the transistor.....isn't the induced in both the trigger and the power winding at the same level when when the transistor is activated? What's the harm in considering the device from the perspective of the induced? If the supply battery is removed, aren't we left with an experiment in coil shorting, switching at the peak of the induced wave? I am not asking questions, I have answered these questions for myself, and only bring them up as I don't feel we are justified in saying that Neos cant be used, or that this isnt a generator, when in fact, it is possible to use Neo magnets, and the device is fundamentally a generator, not a very good one, but a generator nonetheless. I do accept the arguments against the use of Neos in designs that are presented by the inventor, however, as you know, here too are exceptions. If the device isn't a generator, then we require a detailed description of what it is because according to common sense, its a device capitalizing on the generator aspects of the machine. As far as I am concerned, and this is my opinion, we are dealing with a DC biased, pulsed AC generator. Mag Amp sums it up. It doesn't make sense to me that things are suggested, but when it comes right down to it the subject is avoided. Real talk about real principles are outright avoided, and if they aren't avoided, we are instructed not to use our common sense.

No progress is going to be made till we of the peanut gallery decide that what we are being presented isn't enough. Radiant......this term has no meaning whatsoever till you realize its connection with that which we call reactive power.

All this stuff we are being given I see it differently. We are taught about cap dumps not because we need to dump a cap into the battery. Remember, we charged a cap with the collapsing field, after realizing that the discharge of the coil wasn't what the battery wanted....the gears were switched and a cap was charged instead of the battery, this cap was then discharged across the the battery. What if....the lesson with the cap dump is that we should get the coil to behave as if it were the cap, hitting the battery with a current pulse instead of the voltage pulse we are all familiar with? Again, not a question........see coils as caps, comprehend that the only thing stopping a coil from instantly processing current is the mechanism of self induction. If you can regulate self induction, you govern the speed at which current can change in your coil. Now....self induction has a relation to capacity, the two form a tank...doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that if this circuit is tuned, preferably self tuning, RPM independent, or no fixed frequency, is resonant, and the Q is high, there can and more than likely will be a rather large circulating current just waiting for you to route out via the all too familiar method. When you control the impedance offered to the flow of current within a coil, you are controlling more than you are aware of.

What I have found we want is to establish those conditions found at the zero crossing, were the current applied to the circuit is not opposed by the induced. If you could establish those conditions found at the zero crossing all the time........I think you get the picture, and if not....try harder.

IF.....you can control the impedance of a coil when current is moving through it, that coil can behave like a cap, transitions in current happening more or less instantly. This can result in voltage spikes which will destroy the entire apparatus, lucky for us, if its done in the proper manner no spikes ever manifest! Not only this, but if they do manifest, the only negative is you loose the switch, spikes being so great and so fast that they punch the gate of the switch (Aviso, Magnacoaster).

When my hero said, that he found the relation between self induction and capacity, he had found something of profound significance. A relation that once mastered and implemented, enabled him to move current in his system as if the system had no self-induction. We have been looking only at the induced current, and not the current in the oscillator. The current in the oscillator is already moving with zero impedance between L and C, that mechanism is what I believe he spread to other parts of the circuit, eventually being able to extract energy out of the oscillator. Now after considering that, look at your battery again, and tell me that the battery is not being charged with current.....if you still don't see current, under the proper conditions, insane current charging that battery, heaven help you.

Out of the many things that "increasing the reactive cross section" could mean, this is hands down, the only one worth my attention. They aren't lying, they just aren't keeping it real....this is a good thing, it makes us good researchers.

Please forgive my abrupt interruption of the flow of the thread.....habit.....

Regards

[min2oly]

Your comments are welcome, no interruption at all, and well put if I may add. I disagree some of it, however, I do respect your opinion. I respect it even more because there was nothing personal about it, which in the end is my only point.
Kind Regards

Since we are now going to micromanage others behavior and choice of words I have taken the liberty to edit your post down to the ONLY things you should have said. ooops, let me change those words to "the only thing that I wish you had said." That's better and more PC right?

I never read where you checked in about ufopolitics ego, nor where you corrected him when he resorts to the lowest level of name calling.

Language is a difficult issue. Let's be grown-ups and look past these trivial egocentric issues. Shall we?

I was hoping that this forum was a bit different. I was hoping that here, We the Seekers of Knowledge and Understanding, would realize that the most important problem we face as we seek our common goal is to break through the problem of Scientific Dogma which has always plagued our field.

If you only cared enough to listen to the message without judgement of his approach which you deem to be unacceptable, you would find that Erfinder has broken through the "facts" that the PTB have embedded deep within the scientific dogma for the past 150 years. You don't have to take my word for it! All you have to do is listen to what he is saying.

I have watched everything he so generously made available to everyone. I have read his every word. I say to anyone who is interested in making progress, start here, the post below. You could actually ask questions. You might even get an answer, but what I have seen mostly is the request/demand that he make his intellectual property public knowledge. I have seen no such demands made of JB or anyone else. I find that to be childish and repugnant.

I now wish to pre-apologize to anyone who may be offended by my attempt to micromanage this entire thread. Thank you.

This thread is dedicated to Dissecting Erfinder's Comments. Please do yourself a favor and dissect the post below. It truly deserves the effort and attention of talented, open-minded people! Please be one of them!

[OrthoParameter]

I enjoy reading and watching the innovation that so many are able to provide over the years on all these forums, much of which gets lost for so many miniscule reasons.
Kind Regards,
Patrick

PS I have some stuff I want to try beyond the "want-to-be" when I get the chance, I'll present that.
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Since we are now going to micromanage others behavior and choice of words I have taken the liberty to edit your post down to the ONLY things you should have said. ooops, let me change those words to "the only thing that I wish you had said." That's better and more PC right?

I never read where you checked in about ufopolitics ego, nor where you corrected him when he resorts to the lowest level of name calling.

Language is a difficult issue. Let's be grown-ups and look past these trivial egocentric issues. Shall we?

I was hoping that this forum was a bit different. I was hoping that here, We the Seekers of Knowledge and Understanding, would realize that the most important problem we face as we seek our common goal is to break through the problem of Scientific Dogma which has always plagued our field.

If you only cared enough to listen to the message without judgement of his approach which you deem to be unacceptable, you would find that Erfinder has broken through the "facts" that the PTB have embedded deep within the scientific dogma for the past 150 years. You don't have to take my word for it! All you have to do is listen to what he is saying.

I have watched everything he so generously made available to everyone. I have read his every word. I say to anyone who is interested in making progress, start here, the post below. You could actually ask questions. You might even get an answer, but what I have seen mostly is the request/demand that he make his intellectual property public knowledge. I have seen no such demands made of JB or anyone else. I find that to be childish and repugnant.

I now wish to pre-apologize to anyone who may be offended by my attempt to micromanage this entire thread. Thank you.

This thread is dedicated to Dissecting Erfinder's Comments. Please do yourself a favor and dissect the post below. It truly deserves the effort and attention of talented, open-minded people! Please be one of them!

There are exceptions to this as I am sure you are well aware, however, as this is specifically about the SG, and doing as one is instructed, the exceptions are irrelevant. The part about the device not being a generator I cannot accept, and no one who has worked with this machine and similar embodiments should blindly accept this "idea" that the device isn't a generator when the facts indicate that it is. The device has generator written all over it. Aren't you taking advantage of generator action to turn on the transistor.....isn't the induced in both the trigger and the power winding at the same level when when the transistor is activated? What's the harm in considering the device from the perspective of the induced? If the supply battery is removed, aren't we left with an experiment in coil shorting, switching at the peak of the induced wave? I am not asking questions, I have answered these questions for myself, and only bring them up as I don't feel we are justified in saying that Neos cant be used, or that this isnt a generator, when in fact, it is possible to use Neo magnets, and the device is fundamentally a generator, not a very good one, but a generator nonetheless. I do accept the arguments against the use of Neos in designs that are presented by the inventor, however, as you know, here too are exceptions. If the device isn't a generator, then we require a detailed description of what it is because according to common sense, its a device capitalizing on the generator aspects of the machine. As far as I am concerned, and this is my opinion, we are dealing with a DC biased, pulsed AC generator. Mag Amp sums it up. It doesn't make sense to me that things are suggested, but when it comes right down to it the subject is avoided. Real talk about real principles are outright avoided, and if they aren't avoided, we are instructed not to use our common sense.

No progress is going to be made till we of the peanut gallery decide that what we are being presented isn't enough. Radiant......this term has no meaning whatsoever till you realize its connection with that which we call reactive power.

All this stuff we are being given I see it differently. We are taught about cap dumps not because we need to dump a cap into the battery. Remember, we charged a cap with the collapsing field, after realizing that the discharge of the coil wasn't what the battery wanted....the gears were switched and a cap was charged instead of the battery, this cap was then discharged across the the battery. What if....the lesson with the cap dump is that we should get the coil to behave as if it were the cap, hitting the battery with a current pulse instead of the voltage pulse we are all familiar with? Again, not a question........see coils as caps, comprehend that the only thing stopping a coil from instantly processing current is the mechanism of self induction. If you can regulate self induction, you govern the speed at which current can change in your coil. Now....self induction has a relation to capacity, the two form a tank...doesn't take a degree in rocket science to know that if this circuit is tuned, preferably self tuning, RPM independent, or no fixed frequency, is resonant, and the Q is high, there can and more than likely will be a rather large circulating current just waiting for you to route out via the all too familiar method. When you control the impedance offered to the flow of current within a coil, you are controlling more than you are aware of.

What I have found we want is to establish those conditions found at the zero crossing, were the current applied to the circuit is not opposed by the induced. If you could establish those conditions found at the zero crossing all the time........I think you get the picture, and if not....try harder.

IF.....you can control the impedance of a coil when current is moving through it, that coil can behave like a cap, transitions in current happening more or less instantly. This can result in voltage spikes which will destroy the entire apparatus, lucky for us, if its done in the proper manner no spikes ever manifest! Not only this, but if they do manifest, the only negative is you loose the switch, spikes being so great and so fast that they punch the gate of the switch (Aviso, Magnacoaster).

When my hero said, that he found the relation between self induction and capacity, he had found something of profound significance. A relation that once mastered and implemented, enabled him to move current in his system as if the system had no self-induction. We have been looking only at the induced current, and not the current in the oscillator. The current in the oscillator is already moving with zero impedance between L and C, that mechanism is what I believe he spread to other parts of the circuit, eventually being able to extract energy out of the oscillator. Now after considering that, look at your battery again, and tell me that the battery is not being charged with current.....if you still don't see current, under the proper conditions, insane current charging that battery, heaven help you.

Out of the many things that "increasing the reactive cross section" could mean, this is hands down, the only one worth my attention. They aren't lying, they just aren't keeping it real....this is a good thing, it makes us good researchers.

Please forgive my abrupt interruption of the flow of the thread.....habit.....

Regards