Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[erfinder]

This is to everyone, there are many posts on this forum including some of my own that I could go through and edit in the same manner.

Basic human instinct makes it difficult to look past the ego.
So I took a moment to edit/remove some stuff. IMHO The post now gets the same point across without raising too many hairs so to speak. I’m not saying it’s perfect and I’m not saying I haven’t gone too far or far enough. As I noted earlier, perhaps I’m too sensitive. It seems simple and kind enough to remove these. I don’t consider this tip-toe-ing around people, some basic empathy and kindness goes a long way. I’m not going to drag this out. I enjoy reading and watching the innovation that so many are able to provide over the years on all these forums, much of which gets lost for so many miniscule reasons.
Kind Regards,
Patrick

PS I have some stuff I want to try beyond the "want-to-be" when I get the chance, I'll present that.
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Patrick,
Critique is always welcome, the question I ask is, is it justified. *1 I call it like I see it and expect for others to do the same, I therefore appreciate your calling it like you see it. You guys tar and feather those who step outside of the sand box, your approach is more intellectual than the others, I think we could make beautiful music together *2. Outside of the world you guys have built around yourselves is another world. The world you are looking for, I'm not telling you to come out and play with the few who have decided to step outside their comfort zone, that would be asking too much *10, I can only show you my tools, and how I research with them. You think this is comfortable for me, coming here stirring the nest! *3 some of the most brilliant minds HERE! RIGHT HERE on this forum, reading this very post! Locked down! It's funny when you think about it, we come here to free ourselves, only to conform yet again*11.

I am communicating with my equal. *4 If soldiers didn't follow orders wars would be automated...How far would you be in your research if you weren't trying to make sure that you are in line with the bottom line as presented. Have you given any real thought to what's being presented? What are they presenting anyway? I have seen your work....your modifications to the circuit....how about coming up with your own circuit that does the same thing? The circuit we were given is brilliant, but it has a specific purpose, one which has not been communicated to us. I think you know that, *5 How about trying to acknowledge that genius which centers each and every one of you. I'm not asking you to adopt my theories. Not asking you to accept anything that I say as fact. These demands are already being made of you! I am asking you to "consider" the things I say. You all demand that one falls in line never realizing that there is no line to fall in with! Forget the messenger, and see the message for what its worth! Look past the ego, mine. I don't care what you or others think of me personally, you *6 might come to respect my efforts, my results and then hopefully, me as my efforts. I'm not going to stop being who I am just to make those of you who take everything personally feel better about yourself and what you are doing*7.
*8
Anyway...show off that wannabe zeroforce, and when you do, *9 give your own circuit a try.

Regards

*1 I am not into kissing rears, nor do I desire to have mine kissed.
*2 , if you allowed it
*3 Please stay where you are, it takes no effort to do what your told,
*4 If you cannot see that, its unfortunate.
* 5 and if not...damn....
*6 replaced “will” with “might”
*7 , in many cases blindly.
*8 If you used the creativity that you just demonstrated with this cross posting...in your research, damn...but then again....keeping house is part of the doing what you are told mentality....I'm torn on this one....
*9 “please use” replaced w/ “give … a try”
*10 of you
*11 , a peon in the real world, and a peon in this one?

......just hop skip and jump over whats being said, and demonstrated.......and just focus on the ego.......

LOL...on the bright side....you are on topic....uh...then again...

[min2oly]

This is to everyone, there are many posts on this forum including some of my own that I could go through and edit in the same manner.

Basic human instinct makes it difficult to look past the ego.
So I took a moment to edit/remove some stuff. IMHO The post now gets the same point across without raising too many hairs so to speak. I’m not saying it’s perfect and I’m not saying I haven’t gone too far or far enough. As I noted earlier, perhaps I’m too sensitive. It seems simple and kind enough to remove these. I don’t consider this tip-toe-ing around people, some basic empathy and kindness goes a long way. I’m not going to drag this out. I enjoy reading and watching the innovation that so many are able to provide over the years on all these forums, much of which gets lost for so many miniscule reasons.
Kind Regards,
Patrick

PS I have some stuff I want to try beyond the "want-to-be" when I get the chance, I'll present that.
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Patrick,
Critique is always welcome, the question I ask is, is it justified. *1 I call it like I see it and expect for others to do the same, I therefore appreciate your calling it like you see it. You guys tar and feather those who step outside of the sand box, your approach is more intellectual than the others, I think we could make beautiful music together *2. Outside of the world you guys have built around yourselves is another world. The world you are looking for, I'm not telling you to come out and play with the few who have decided to step outside their comfort zone, that would be asking too much *10, I can only show you my tools, and how I research with them. You think this is comfortable for me, coming here stirring the nest! *3 some of the most brilliant minds HERE! RIGHT HERE on this forum, reading this very post! Locked down! It's funny when you think about it, we come here to free ourselves, only to conform yet again*11.

I am communicating with my equal. *4 If soldiers didn't follow orders wars would be automated...How far would you be in your research if you weren't trying to make sure that you are in line with the bottom line as presented. Have you given any real thought to what's being presented? What are they presenting anyway? I have seen your work....your modifications to the circuit....how about coming up with your own circuit that does the same thing? The circuit we were given is brilliant, but it has a specific purpose, one which has not been communicated to us. I think you know that, *5 How about trying to acknowledge that genius which centers each and every one of you. I'm not asking you to adopt my theories. Not asking you to accept anything that I say as fact. These demands are already being made of you! I am asking you to "consider" the things I say. You all demand that one falls in line never realizing that there is no line to fall in with! Forget the messenger, and see the message for what its worth! Look past the ego, mine. I don't care what you or others think of me personally, you *6 might come to respect my efforts, my results and then hopefully, me as my efforts. I'm not going to stop being who I am just to make those of you who take everything personally feel better about yourself and what you are doing*7.
*8
Anyway...show off that wannabe zeroforce, and when you do, *9 give your own circuit a try.

Regards

*1 I am not into kissing rears, nor do I desire to have mine kissed.
*2 , if you allowed it
*3 Please stay where you are, it takes no effort to do what your told,
*4 If you cannot see that, its unfortunate.
* 5 and if not...damn....
*6 replaced “will” with “might”
*7 , in many cases blindly.
*8 If you used the creativity that you just demonstrated with this cross posting...in your research, damn...but then again....keeping house is part of the doing what you are told mentality....I'm torn on this one....
*9 “please use” replaced w/ “give … a try”
*10 of you
*11 , a peon in the real world, and a peon in this one?

Patrick,

Critique is always welcome, the question I ask is, is it justified. I am not into kissing rears, nor do I desire to have mine kissed. I call it like I see it and expect for others to do the same, I therefore appreciate your calling it like you see it. You guys tar and feather those who step outside of the sand box, your approach is more intellectual than the others, I think we could make beautiful music together, if you allowed it. Outside of the world you guys have built around yourselves is another world. The world you are looking for, I'm not telling you to come out and play with the few who have decided to step outside their comfort zone, that would be asking too much of you, I can only show you my tools, and how I research with them. You think this is comfortable for me, coming here stirring the nest! Please stay where you are, it takes no effort to do what your told, some of the most brilliant minds HERE! RIGHT HERE on this forum, reading this very post! Locked down! It's funny when you think about it, we come here to free ourselves, only to conform yet again, a peon in the real world, and a peon in this one?

I am communicating with my equal. If you cannot see that, its unfortunate. If soldiers didn't follow orders wars would be automated...How far would you be in your research if you weren't trying to make sure that you are in line with the bottom line as presented. Have you given any real thought to what's being presented? What are they presenting anyway? I have seen your work....your modifications to the circuit....how about coming up with your own circuit that does the same thing? The circuit we were given is brilliant, but it has a specific purpose, one which has not been communicated to us. I think you know that, and if not...damn....How about trying to acknowledge that genius which centers each and every one of you. I'm not asking you to adopt my theories. Not asking you to accept anything that I say as fact. These demands are already being made of you! I am asking you to "consider" the things I say. You all demand that one falls in line never realizing that there is no line to fall in with! Forget the messenger, and see the message for what its worth! Look past the ego, mine. I don't care what you or others think of me personally, you will come to respect my efforts, my results and then hopefully, me as my efforts. I'm not going to stop being who I am just to make those of you who take everything personally feel better about yourself and what you are doing, in many cases blindly.

If you used the creativity that you just demonstrated with this cross posting...in your research, damn...but then again....keeping house is part of the doing what you are told mentality....I'm torn on this one....

Anyway...show off that wannabe zeroforce, and when you do, please use your own circuit.


Regards

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder,
I very much enjoy reading the information you provide and thought provoking ideas in your posts.

If I may offer the smallest tiniest of critiques... I think there is a nuance in some the words you choose when your comments are directed at people that may rub some the wrong way.
Maybe it's just me, perhaps some may think I'm too sensitive??
If when you make a post, go back re-read and take out any references to others - period. I think you will find that your posts will be enjoyed by all who read them.

Also, notice how I replied to this post in another thread. Most all are looking through the "new posts" "activity stream" and will always find them. I am not trying to dictate or perscribe proper edicate. Perhaps if we all put our thinking caps on w/ some empathy we can do these things on our own.

I look forward to reading more. I have not had much time this summer - Kids... I do however have your "want-to-be zero force" replication running on the fireplace mantel for over a month now using a reed to trigger the Bedini/Cole ckt that drives it.

Kind Regards,
Patrick

Patrick,

Critique is always welcome, the question I ask is, is it justified. I am not into kissing rears, nor do I desire to have mine kissed. I call it like I see it and expect for others to do the same, I therefore appreciate your calling it like you see it. You guys tar and feather those who step outside of the sand box, your approach is more intellectual than the others, I think we could make beautiful music together, if you allowed it. Outside of the world you guys have built around yourselves is another world. The world you are looking for, I'm not telling you to come out and play with the few who have decided to step outside their comfort zone, that would be asking too much of you, I can only show you my tools, and how I research with them. You think this is comfortable for me, coming here stirring the nest! Please stay where you are, it takes no effort to do what your told, some of the most brilliant minds HERE! RIGHT HERE on this forum, reading this very post! Locked down! It's funny when you think about it, we come here to free ourselves, only to conform yet again, a peon in the real world, and a peon in this one?

I am communicating with my equal. If you cannot see that, its unfortunate. If soldiers didn't follow orders wars would be automated...How far would you be in your research if you weren't trying to make sure that you are in line with the bottom line as presented. Have you given any real thought to what's being presented? What are they presenting anyway? I have seen your work....your modifications to the circuit....how about coming up with your own circuit that does the same thing? The circuit we were given is brilliant, but it has a specific purpose, one which has not been communicated to us. I think you know that, and if not...damn....How about trying to acknowledge that genius which centers each and every one of you. I'm not asking you to adopt my theories. Not asking you to accept anything that I say as fact. These demands are already being made of you! I am asking you to "consider" the things I say. You all demand that one falls in line never realizing that there is no line to fall in with! Forget the messenger, and see the message for what its worth! Look past the ego, mine. I don't care what you or others think of me personally, you will come to respect my efforts, my results and then hopefully, me as my efforts. I'm not going to stop being who I am just to make those of you who take everything personally feel better about yourself and what you are doing, in many cases blindly.

If you used the creativity that you just demonstrated with this cross posting...in your research, damn...but then again....keeping house is part of the doing what you are told mentality....I'm torn on this one....

Anyway...show off that wannabe zeroforce, and when you do, please use your own circuit.


Regards

[min2oly]

Hi Erfinder,
I very much enjoy reading the information you provide and thought provoking ideas in your posts.

If I may offer the smallest tiniest of critiques... I think there is a nuance in some the words you choose when your comments are directed at people that may rub some the wrong way.
Maybe it's just me, perhaps some may think I'm too sensitive??
If when you make a post, go back re-read and take out any references to others - period. I think you will find that your posts will be enjoyed by all who read them.

Also, notice how I replied to this post in another thread. Most all are looking through the "new posts" "activity stream" and will always find them. I am not trying to dictate or perscribe proper edicate. Perhaps if we all put our thinking caps on w/ some empathy we can do these things on our own.

I look forward to reading more. I have not had much time this summer - Kids... I do however have your "want-to-be zero force" replication running on the fireplace mantel for over a month now using a reed to trigger the Bedini/Cole ckt that drives it.

Kind Regards,
Patrick

@ Kiril and OrthoParameter, you both are AWESOME! Love you guys!




Al,

This isn't a debate, nothing being discussed on this and related threads are worthy of debating. This is an exchange of ideas. I expressed an opinion, one backed by experiment. I suggested that there are "exceptions". You all say build like you are told, but have yet to ask the question...what am I building?

Not really sure how long you have been involved in all of this, I have been around for roughly 10 years. All of the questions I directed to the attention of the inventor were ignored. I figured I was being ignored because my questions would cause him to have to reveal something that was protected by patent....but then again, the SG is protected by patent..... he talks about most of what's going on there....I was confused, and frustrated, so I did what any real researcher would do in this situation. I took responsibility for my ignorance, and sought to answer my own questions.

JB is awesome. He is an impulse giver in the truest sense of the term. I have received countless impressions from his efforts over the years, and am forever grateful for them. I feel that all of his devices and are one device, I look at all of his works, and all of those works which inspired him. You and the majority focus on the SG. Here the focus is to do as you are told, this "do what you are told approach" leaves no room for your own common sense and creativity. Many have been doing what they were told for years! What is the result of this dedication? They, like you, still have no idea what that circuit is really all about! I don't claim to know what it's about either, that's why I "left it alone..." I took from it those things which are significant and moved on! The lesson that I got from the SG is powerful, and I have demonstrated what that lesson was time and time again. I don't relate it to the SG because its "MY" work! I am not going to give credit to JB for "MY" effort, I credit him for "inspiring" me and that's where it ends.

Before you question my respect and admiration for JB check yourself, you aren't honoring him by sticking to what you are told! You honor the man by trying to comprehend, and in comprehending, win an appreciation for the genius of the whole picture.

This circuit was injected into mainstream, a young girl demonstrated the circuit in a science competition. The SG as you are seeing it is milk for young, it becomes meat for the mature when one desires to see it as such. Here one would be dealing with the core of the matter, one of the many major lessons that the circuit teaches. The core of the matter is a subject which isn't discussed...ever....period....

GT3 = Watson machine = Bedini free energy generator.

Beginner or vet, you are barking up the wrong tree. The "real no BS free energy machine" isn't the SG.

Anyway....I can't confuse the confused.....think what you want about me....that doesn't take much effort....would be awesome if you projected some of that energy into thinking what you want about the circuit under discussion!


Regards

[min2oly]

Nice post.
KR,
Patrick A.

To counter drag the only thing that has to be done is an offset, don't ask me to spell it out for you please, just think about it, and remember the information has been given to you by the authorities on this site and others, it doesn't get any simpler than that. The question to ask prior to making this stupid simple change in geometric relations is why does it get rid of drag? When you look at Faraday's law and Lenz law the answer is pretty clear isn't it. Both laws are basically about inducing a voltage. The latter has a magnetic field associated with the induced potential which opposes the magnetic field which induced it. In essence the only problem a symmetrical system has is the fact that we induce one polarity at a time, and always the same polarity as the inducing. In a symmetrical, or better stated, linear system this should be expected. It's a non-linear condition that we want to establish, non-linear in this particular instance isn't exactly asymmetrical but its close enough, and most certainly gets the job that we want done accomplished. You have been shown this topology time and time again but for reasons which I cannot understand, have chosen to ignore it, to each his own.

The Kromrey, and G-field devices are excellent instruments for identifying key relations, however, we don't have what it takes to reinvent the wheel. Upon realizing this, my path was clear, I wanted to find the same effects demonstrated in those machines applied to a topology which could be placed inside an existing off the shelf machine. The Muller Dynamo delivered the solution. Quite literally the only machine ever demonstrated which is built around this offsetting principle, demonstrated for all! No secreting, no occulting with advanced concepts and sciences. All of these researchers were working on the same thing guys. Lenz's law is a mental block, a program as it were strategically placed to limit you, and indirectly the machine. The law has no validity if you induce two fields instead of one.....RING THE BELL TWICE DAMNIT!! Leedskalnin not Bedini. A magnet has two sides, right? The Kromrey and G-field use both sides at the same time Right...RIGHT?? Soo...common sense says that if you want the same or similar effects in a standard topology, you must USE BOTH SIDES.

Anyway....we have work to do...don't we.....Kit.....

efinder@forgotten-genius.com


Regards

[erfinder]

To counter drag the only thing that has to be done is an offset, don't ask me to spell it out for you please, just think about it, and remember the information has been given to you by the authorities on this site and others, it doesn't get any simpler than that. The question to ask prior to making this stupid simple change in geometric relations is why does it get rid of drag? When you look at Faraday's law and Lenz law the answer is pretty clear isn't it. Both laws are basically about inducing a voltage. The latter has a magnetic field associated with the induced potential which opposes the magnetic field which induced it. In essence the only problem a symmetrical system has is the fact that we induce one polarity at a time, and always the same polarity as the inducing. In a symmetrical, or better stated, linear system this should be expected. It's a non-linear condition that we want to establish, non-linear in this particular instance isn't exactly asymmetrical but its close enough, and most certainly gets the job that we want done accomplished. You have been shown this topology time and time again but for reasons which I cannot understand, have chosen to ignore it, to each his own.

The Kromrey, and G-field devices are excellent instruments for identifying key relations, however, we don't have what it takes to reinvent the wheel. Upon realizing this, my path was clear, I wanted to find the same effects demonstrated in those machines applied to a topology which could be placed inside an existing off the shelf machine. The Muller Dynamo delivered the solution. Quite literally the only machine ever demonstrated which is built around this offsetting principle, demonstrated for all! No secreting, no occulting with advanced concepts and sciences. All of these researchers were working on the same thing guys. Lenz's law is a mental block, a program as it were strategically placed to limit you, and indirectly the machine. The law has no validity if you induce two fields instead of one.....RING THE BELL TWICE DAMNIT!! Leedskalnin not Bedini. A magnet has two sides, right? The Kromrey and G-field use both sides at the same time Right...RIGHT?? Soo...common sense says that if you want the same or similar effects in a standard topology, you must USE BOTH SIDES.

Anyway....we have work to do...don't we.....Kit.....

efinder@forgotten-genius.com


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

just found this http://www.linux-host.org/energy/orsshoe.htm again magnetic amplifiers are mentioned

[bigmotherwhale]

Im only guessing, but would this coil need to be wound 90 degrees in relation to the magnetic coil, like around the circumference? just like the copper ring around the outside of some JB's motors, or the gray conversion switching tube or the The Testatika Swiss M-L converter or the coil wound around the outside of the gray motor tube or half the windings in a window motor.
if this particle/wave is out of phase by a certain phase angle is it possible to capture it directly using a certain geometric angle?

[bob smith]

i have only just seen this, is a very interesting circuit he is using, i was thinking exactly along these lines but could the capacitor also be the coil of the motor instead of a separate one

HI BMW
Those are the lines along which I've been thinking ever since Erfinder alluded to it on another forum. I believe the point he was trying to make was that the bemf could be harnessed to assist the motor's turning, rather than a counter-rotational force to be overcome. This is something I'd love to investigate further. My sense is that this can be done in a motor without adding a second commutator at the other end of the rotor. It might simply depend on altering the direction of series coils on the armature in order that the cemf can be harvested. Just kind of thinking out loud. Perhaps you have a clearer idea. I suspect Erfinder may as well.
Bob

[bigmotherwhale]

Please excuse the intrusion in the line of thought... thought I'd post this as a kind of micro scale example of how bemf can be redirected into a circuit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGHAM...2&feature=plcp Schematic and explanation begin at 30 seconds mark. The question for me now is how to apply this concept with motors, coils and energy amplification.
Respectfully,
Bob

i have only just seen this, is a very interesting circuit he is using, i was thinking exactly along these lines but could the capacitor also be the coil of the motor instead of a separate one

[bob smith]

Unfortunately Bob, we don't really get to make that choice. It's going to be explosive power whether you know what you're doing or not. We all are barking up the wrong tree when trying to harvest and utilize the collapsing field in any manner other than the one prescribed by the one who brought it to our attention in the first place, namely, Nikola Tesla! "Let us suppose that I had stored in the condenser 10 watts....." Tesla

This capacitor he's referring to....are we talking about a conventional capacitor or circuit with capacity? The two are not the same? It should be clear to those who have reviewed his patents on this particular subject, that he gives no real significance to the inductor other than to say that it is the seat of the circuits inertia, (videos have been made and sold which demonstrate the validity of this claim, but it seems that the creators of those videos like in so many other instances seen all over the web, are only concerned with inertia....) this does change later, and that change, mixed with lots of other insightful information is the fuel for my research, everything you need to see his change in perspective is right in black and white in those basic patents. Read his statements, and compare them to those statements being made by those who say self induction is bad! Many of our leaders in this quest are suggesting that we build systems that have little or no CEMF!!!?!? Why?? Why should we do the exact opposite from what we are presented with in patent after patent after patent by the man who personifies the movement? Tesla swore by self-induction for he knew what it was! He knew its relation to capacity, and how the one could be used to supply the other, how the one could become the other, how the one was the other...maybe....... The relation that self inductance has to capacitance should be as clear as the nose on ones face!!! What is the discharge current (collapsing field) illustrating? Where was Tesla sending it, where does it (the collapsing field) want to go. The relationship between self-inductance and capacitance is a relation which we must comprehend. All of this information, Tesla's, was penned in the language of the layman, presented in the language of the layman, and preserved in patents granted to him. It's time to think like a layman and not like one who is trained to know.

He states on more than one occasion that the power he is getting out of the system comes out of abrupt discharging of a capacitor, again we are faced with the question of what exactly is capacity. One interesting thing to note, in the more advanced circuits the conventional embodiment of the capacitor isn't present, and neither is the bifilar series coil, for those who would throw the bifilar coil at me as the replacement for the missing cap. When we strip the system of all that confuses the issues, and there are many issues, we are left with the greatest common denominator, rate of change. It was there the entire time, facilitating the creation and destruction of the energy storage mechanisms. Under the right conditions, L and C are one in impedance. These are my thoughts......my opinions.....
Regards

Always a pleasure (and education) to read your responses, Erfinder. I have to keep it brief due to commitments, but what comes to mind are two things:

First, that capacitance, in the way I understand it, is the ability of an inductor to store charge. A single strand of wire and various coil configurations and the way they are insulated and layered will have their own unique capacitive properties.

Second, that impedance matching between L and C can be a complicated thing, but resonance may be one simple way through it. Here's a great overview, way over my head, but some interesting tidbits to ponder: http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf One thing that stands out for me is his statement at the bottom of the first page that, "at resonance, the impedance [of an RLC circuit] takes on a minimal value." I know that coil topologies will facilitate resonance (e.g., caduceus with multiple resonance points), but I know you have also made some interesting remarks about coil resonance a few posts back that I do take seriously.

I can't help but think resonance is a crucial key to unlocking this "wheelwork of nature."
Have a good one!
Bob

[erfinder]

Not sure if this is the link, looks interesting: http://www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf

Re Erfinder's last remarks. Just happened upon this today...

I'm not one for big explosive power. I simply seek to tap into the wheelwork of nature. I believe John Myatt, who I quoted above, alluded to storing the bemf as flux in a toroid, but I'm sure there are other ways that are more suited to my purposes that will reveal themselves with further work in good time.
Bob

Unfortunately Bob, we don't really get to make that choice. It's going to be explosive power whether you know what you're doing or not. We all are barking up the wrong tree when trying to harvest and utilize the collapsing field in any manner other than the one prescribed by the one who brought it to our attention in the first place, namely, Nikola Tesla! The majority are spinning their wheels, using it to charge caps which are dead ended into lamps or what not (I am guilty of this, but I know better......), or using it to charge batteries, it works, but is this the instruction we were left? The internet is filled with folks all excited about the collapsing field, getting nowhere fast with their attempts at taming it. Scale that mechanism up, the exact same kind that we see plastered all over the internet. Scale it up to a few KW, make sure you have a good life and property insurance policy, because, you are going to blow up something. Do we understand what Tesla was suggesting when he mentioned "tapping the wheel work of Nature?" I'm not sure I understand what he meant, and am pretty sure I haven't had an exchange with one who understands what he meant as it applies to our area of interest. Using an analogy which has no direct relation to the subject tends to cloud the issue, I feel that was intentional. Read Tesla's statement, assuming they came from Tesla, its his words you should be studying, there are many interpretations of his words and works, most are in a word.....wrong, I am no acception. This is one of the most important bits out of that quote you site:

"Let us suppose that I had stored in the condenser 10 watts....." Tesla

This capacitor he's referring to....are we talking about a conventional capacitor or circuit with capacity? The two are not the same? It should be clear to those who have reviewed his patents on this particular subject, that he gives no real significance to the inductor other than to say that it is the seat of the circuits inertia, (videos have been made and sold which demonstrate the validity of this claim, but it seems that the creators of those videos like in so many other instances seen all over the web, are only concerned with inertia....) this does change later, and that change, mixed with lots of other insightful information is the fuel for my research, everything you need to see his change in perspective is right in black and white in those basic patents. Read his statements, and compare them to those statements being made by those who say self induction is bad! Many of our leaders in this quest are suggesting that we build systems that have little or no CEMF!!!?!? Why?? Why should we do the exact opposite from what we are presented with in patent after patent after patent by the man who personifies the movement? Tesla swore by self-induction for he knew what it was! He knew its relation to capacity, and how the one could be used to supply the other, how the one could become the other, how the one was the other...maybe....... The relation that self inductance has to capacitance should be as clear as the nose on ones face!!! What is the discharge current (collapsing field) illustrating? Where was Tesla sending it, where does it (the collapsing field) want to go. The relationship between self-inductance and capacitance is a relation which we must comprehend. All of this information, Tesla's, was penned in the language of the layman, presented in the language of the layman, and preserved in patents granted to him. It's time to think like a layman and not like one who is trained to know.

He states on more than one occasion that the power he is getting out of the system comes out of abrupt discharging of a capacitor, again we are faced with the question of what exactly is capacity. One interesting thing to note, in the more advanced circuits the conventional embodiment of the capacitor isn't present, and neither is the bifilar series coil, for those who would throw the bifilar coil at me as the replacement for the missing cap. When we strip the system of all that confuses the issues, and there are many issues, we are left with the greatest common denominator, rate of change. It was there the entire time, facilitating the creation and destruction of the energy storage mechanisms. Under the right conditions, L and C are one in impedance. These are my thoughts......my opinions.....


Regards

[forelle]

Not sure if this is the link, looks interesting: http://www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf

Re Erfinder's last remarks. Just happened upon this today...

I'm not one for big explosive power. I simply seek to tap into the wheelwork of nature. I believe John Myatt, who I quoted above, alluded to storing the bemf as flux in a toroid, but I'm sure there are other ways that are more suited to my purposes that will reveal themselves with further work in good time.
Bob

That`s one of the links,thanks.

[bob smith]

Hi all
Here you can read about stochastic resonance and how we can use it.This text`s i know since years but i didnt realize how important they are because i was to busy with charging batteries.
Cant copy the links,type in google

how to build a zpe research lab

and

radiant energy and overunity

Not sure if this is the link, looks interesting: http://www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf

Re Erfinder's last remarks. Just happened upon this today...

Counsel
I understood a little while ago when you made the statement of using sever thousand horsepower put into a condenser, you could take out of the condenser a million horsepower. I wondered if you got the same condition with this machine.
Tesla
Yes; I charged the condenser with 40,000 volts. When it was charged full, I discharged it suddenly, through a short circuit which gave me a very rapid rate of oscillation. Let us suppose that I had stored in the condenser 10 watts. Then, for such a wave there is a flux of energy of (4 x 10^4)^2, and this is multiplied by the frequency of 100,000. You see, it may go into thousands or millions of horsepower.
Counsel
What I wanted to get at was, did that depend upon the suddenness of the discharge?
Tesla
Yes. It is merely the electrical analogue of a pile driver or a hammer. You accumulate energy through a long distance and then you deliver it with a tremendous suddenness. The distance through which the mass moves is small--the pressure immense.
Source: Leland Anderson, NT on His Work With Alternating Currents, p. 68.

I'm not one for big explosive power. I simply seek to tap into the wheelwork of nature. I believe John Myatt, who I quoted above, alluded to storing the bemf as flux in a toroid, but I'm sure there are other ways that are more suited to my purposes that will reveal themselves with further work in good time.
Bob

[forelle]

Hi all
Here you can read about stochastic resonance and how we can use it.This text`s i know since years but i didnt realize how important they are because i was to busy with charging batteries.
Cant copy the links,type in google

how to build a zpe research lab

and

radiant energy and overunity