Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[dennis foyil]

Hi folks, I can't find where this first caught my attention. Wikipedia has a lot to say @ " parametric resonance." Maybe it is just me, but I "see" a lot of parallels with erfinder's sayings and demo's. G'day edit: It is in Bob's open source link. Thanks Bob

[erfinder]

Please excuse the intrusion in the line of thought... thought I'd post this as a kind of micro scale example of how bemf can be redirected into a circuit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGHAM...2&feature=plcp Schematic and explanation begin at 30 seconds mark. The question for me now is how to apply this concept with motors, coils and energy amplification.
Respectfully,
Bob

Hello Bob,

How does the circuit differ from any standard snubbing scenario? Generally I don't like discussing circuits because its not my strong point. Its one of the reasons why I don't post schematics, nor discuss circuits in any real detail. I don't place any real value in them. Its just a switch, the switch for me is a catalyst. The discharge current from the collapsing field shouldn't be recycled back to the front end. The man, the myth, the legend instructed us what to do with this energy. It should be accumulated in a condenser, and discharged into a circuit of low self inductance.

Question....The current supplying a high self inductance circuit is interrupted, the resulting collapsing field charges a capacitor. This capacitor is discharged through a coil of low self inductance, the low self inductance coil is inductively associated with the high self inductance circuit. What effect would a capacitor discharge into the low self inductance coil have on the supply which is connected to the high self inductance circuit?

My hero Tesla showed you what you can do, he never told you what to do! My opinion, the video is more of the same.


Regards

[bob smith]

I feel coils respond to all frequencies, and have come to the conclusion that there exists a specific series of frequencies where this other form of resonance predominates. This form of resonance is rectangular, versus sinusoidal. I think the connection to Russell is in the relation between the sine and square waves generated by properly constructed machines. The square wave is the three projectors, and six mirrors. The relation that the sine has to the square should be clear. The phase of the sine must be manipulable, so as to be associated with a specific corner, the the method by which one is granted the ability to identify and select the 012343210 points in the sine is also of extreme importance. Let your imagination fill in the rest, you know what becomes possible if this speculation could ever become more than just speculation, you know his works.

Please excuse the intrusion in the line of thought... thought I'd post this as a kind of micro scale example of how bemf can be redirected into a circuit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGHAM...2&feature=plcp Schematic and explanation begin at 30 seconds mark. The question for me now is how to apply this concept with motors, coils and energy amplification.
Respectfully,
Bob

[bigmotherwhale]

i agree with some of the statements about the meyer stuff but i dont see it as ripping the water apart, more like an injection of information that will void water and promote another, i did some experiments with 620 and 630 hz modulation (dissonance) on a set of stainless plates under water, it produced ozone at least that is what my nose tells me it was, try it, you dont need anything special a computer waveform generator (look at what 620 and 630 do) and a power amplifier worked for me, as soon as you turn it on and sniff its there, no other frequencies i found did the same.
yes this could be used as a weapon i suppose, but so could fire, now we comprehend how fire behaves we know not to put our fingers in it or light one inside without a container, i think the same applies to this and to all science.

the lack of comprehension on the information contained within a voltage current waveform and how it propagates in LCR in normal everyday electronics is something that should be investigated, i believe the "cold electricity" effect is entirely to do with circuits behaving like wave guides and the reduction in resistive losses this causes, think about the bulb under water, how a 240v bulb can be lit fully by 19v - it seems to make sense to me

[erfinder]

Hope you don't mind me posting some interesting info I've found about the Stan Meyer WFC, which pertains to harnessing BEMF. In this sense, I hope it relates to the discussion that's evolved in this thread. It's by John Myatt, who I believe currently lives in Australia (Northern Territory). He seems to have gotten his info from Meyer, who went to New Zealand and presented his technology there. John Myatt also has a couple of YT channels. Here's one of his posts I came across about what he calls the "Tesla Regenerative Effect." He explains it is not only useful for the WFC, but for other purposes as well. I can't speak to the anti-gravity effects and other claims, but left it in for interest.

Source: http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1153.0

Ahh....good stuff. When I see stuff like this it makes me smile, however, horses mouth or not, after reading what he's shared, I am inclined to stick to with my speculation. I am not from the school of thought that would suggest that we build devices to rip things apart. It took Nature eons to establish the proper environmental conditions conducive for the materialization of water, we cannot fathom the degree of patients that it would take to wait for the proper conditions! We should establish a matrix, here we place the water, unbeknownst to us, in this matrix, the water is already broken into its fundamentals, in the matrix we can reshape the structure of the substance by applying the proper signals. It is my opinion that all substances have a chord of mass, this is very different from a resonant frequency, for it embraces the idea that each part adds to the whole, that each part is as individual as it is one with the whole, the same principle we see in coils. Turn for turn we increase in inductance, turn for turn we increase in capacitance, turn for turn we increase in resistance. If we were to break the coil down we would find different frequencies, different resistances, different capacitance, and different inductance. With that there cannot be a specific resonant frequency, that frequency would have harmonic components, some desired, some not.

When one talks about ripping stuff apart and then brings anti-gravity into the discussion, I get nervous, the last thing I want is to be in an anti-gravity device which functions on the same principles which have been demonstrated to "rip apart" water?! Last time I checked, we consist of what 70 percent water?

What exactly is water anyway....no one asked the water if it wants to be ripped apart! Knowledge of the wave fields, and the wave that moves through them puts us in contact with those things whose conditions we desire to modify, at least that's how I see it.


Regards

[bob smith]

Hello,

How the things I mention relate to the work of other inventors like Meyers, I can only speculate on. I believe his gated oscillator is significant, what it signifies, and not necessarily for what its present embodiment does. It's been my experience that this gating of a squared wave generates some interesting effects. Regarding the square wave itself, I don't think a synthetically generated one will do....As I mentioned before, when you have the system parameters as they should be, and the proper impedance is attached to the output of the device, the wave across the motor coils is completely square. I believe this kind of square wave is fundamentally different from the synthetically generated kind. It's noteworthy to mention that Meyers was driving a tank circuit with his generator of square waves. In my opinion, the modified alternator holds the key. I don't think it was an alternator in the true sense, I think it was driven, and operated as an electric motor, an electric motor with a square wave electrical output, and electrical output which drove the cell. With this view, I can now see how the water molecule bonds could be broken down. The VIC transformer, was more than likely a reactor, I use mine as a kind of amplifier, and if he was doing the same or similar, with his knowledge, the results would have been impressive. With my limited knowledge and experience, I am impressed with what my transformer (reactor) enables me to do. I am interested in two wave types. The sine, and the square, there are many which manifest in between but they are too many to mention, many of them I have demonstrated to have far reaching application. Regards

Hope you don't mind me posting some interesting info I've found about the Stan Meyer WFC, which pertains to harnessing BEMF. In this sense, I hope it relates to the discussion that's evolved in this thread. It's by John Myatt, who I believe currently lives in Australia (Northern Territory). He seems to have gotten his info from Meyer, who went to New Zealand and presented his technology there. John Myatt also has a couple of YT channels. Here's one of his posts I came across about what he calls the "Tesla Regenerative Effect." He explains it is not only useful for the WFC, but for other purposes as well. I can't speak to the anti-gravity effects and other claims, but left it in for interest.

The key to the Stanley Meyer fuel cell lies in the "Tesla Choke" that uses "Tesla's Regenerative Effect" to effectively recycle charge by recycling the Back EMF of each + pulse to add to the next + pulse. This regenerative effect in resonance essentially cascades the input charges to 1000's of volts greater than what you actually input into the water capacitor.

I use a Torroidal Core 1.50 inch in diameter, 0.25 inch thick, 200 turns of 24 gauge wire, 600 turns of 36 gauge wire with a blocking diode to isolate the impulses. I feed this torroid with a rectified 260 Volt Variac transformer switched using a circuit and only use about 110 Volts of this. I use a Stanley Meyer Capacitance calculator (WFC v1.0) and then use an online Tesla Inductance and Capacitance equations calculator to determine the resonant frequency of my fuel cells.

The 1 amp is restricted on the Tesla Choke, consumed by a light bulb before entering the Fuel cell and lastly is annihilated within the fuel cell itself because the input signal is 180 degree's out of phase in resonance. What your left with is PURE + & - charge without the magnetic (Amperage) stream. This pure charge without amperage is what rips apart the molecular structure of water gravitationally into its Hydrogen and Oxygen components.

The method of operation of a Fuel Cell is similar to Tesla's anti-gravity field theory that uses an EM gravitational field transmitted 180 degree's out of phase with the Earth's gravitational field creating a Standing-Wave that cancels out the effects of Earths-gravity on the craft allowing the craft to be magnetically repelled from the Earths magnetic field. In the case of a Fuel Cell the covalent bond that binds matter together is cancelled out within the fuel cell by using a resonant signal 180 degree's out of phase which simply switches off this covalent connection allowing the attraction of Pure + & - Charge without its magnetic-(current) losses to rip apart the water.

To cancel out:

Magnetism- the Hot electricity with its magnetic component passes itself at a 90 degree angle leaving only (Cold) pure charge without its radiating magnetic field component. Cold Electricity is also known as negative resistance.

Covalent Bond of matter- a pure charge Cold resonant signal is transmitted 180 degree's out of phase so that the signal passes each other at a 90 degree angle, pure charge can then rip apart matter into its elements.

Gravity- the EM gravity field with its hot magnetic component is transmitted 180 degree's out of phase with the earths gravity field so that the signal passes each other at a 90 angle leaving the magnetic field of the craft to be repelled just like a magnet from the earths own magnetic field.

It really is this SIMPLE, we can switch off a gravitational field, a covalent bond or the magnetic field. The weapons aspect of this type of technology is absolutely mind blowing!

I haven't upped the voltage in this demo because I know people will just kiss my ass to no end. This video only demo's negative resistance to show that it is possible to have a amperage restricted reaction...

The HOT magnetic component of electricity is what enslaves mankind. The only reason we have the magnetic component in our electricity grid is because it can be measured as it radiates a magnetic field. This radiated field is measured and this is how the power companies bill us. When you buy electricity you're actually paying for is its magnetic field losses to surrounding space- this was designed into the system more than 100 years ago so that our energy expenditure can be metered. There is a secondary function of radiating a magnetic field in that as we consume power we are radiating more losses to surrounding space, so we have to buy more power. For example the Pentium chip in your computer, as this heats up it actually becomes less efficient and consumes more electricity as it radiates more losses in the form of heat to surrounding space.

Source: http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1153.0

[erfinder]

I was just thinking about the impeadance mismatch and the secondary resonance you speak of and it all fits with the stan meyer VIC transfomer, it uses two inductors of differing value with a flux reversed coil wound partly in the opposite direction on one of the coils which is tapped at different points for tuning (a variable capacitance coil) it is driven by a square 50% MS ratio, it has two semiconductors driving it one connected to a forward diode the other a reverse for "electron extraction" it has two resonant peaks one big and one small V measured across an inductor. this is all linked to magnetic amplifiers, i wonder if a magnetic bias / dc bias could be applied for motor generator use, have a look at the waveforms this produces and they look alot like the ones that are supposed to charge batteries by backwards ion movement.

Hello,

How the things I mention relate to the work of other inventors like Meyers, I can only speculate on. I believe his gated oscillator is significant, what it signifies, and not necessarily for what its present embodiment does. It's been my experience that this gating of a squared wave generates some interesting effects. Regarding the square wave itself, I don't think a synthetically generated one will do....As I mentioned before, when you have the system parameters as they should be, and the proper impedance is attached to the output of the device, the wave across the motor coils is completely square. I believe this kind of square wave is fundamentally different from the synthetically generated kind. It's noteworthy to mention that Meyers was driving a tank circuit with his generator of square waves. In my opinion, the modified alternator holds the key. I don't think it was an alternator in the true sense, I think it was driven, and operated as an electric motor, an electric motor with a square wave electrical output, and electrical output which drove the cell. With this view, I can now see how the water molecule bonds could be broken down. The VIC transformer, was more than likely a reactor, I use mine as a kind of amplifier, and if he was doing the same or similar, with his knowledge, the results would have been impressive. With my limited knowledge and experience, I am impressed with what my transformer (reactor) enables me to do. I am interested in two wave types. The sine, and the square, there are many which manifest in between but they are too many to mention, many of them I have demonstrated to have far reaching application.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

I was just thinking about the impeadance mismatch and the secondary resonance you speak of and it all fits with the stan meyer VIC transfomer, it uses two inductors of differing value with a flux reversed coil wound partly in the opposite direction on one of the coils which is tapped at different points for tuning (a variable capacitance coil) it is driven by a square 50% MS ratio, it has two semiconductors driving it one connected to a forward diode the other a reverse for "electron extraction" it has two resonant peaks one big and one small V measured across an inductor. this is all linked to magnetic amplifiers, i wonder if a magnetic bias / dc bias could be applied for motor generator use, have a look at the waveforms this produces and they look alot like the ones that are supposed to charge batteries by backwards ion movement.

[erfinder]

http://www.google.com/patents/US4189654 delay line motor

i dont think resonance is the method of power production, however if you want to run a motor or "circulating current" its useful to be able to repeat at a rate that the elements work at, the rate is not important, at least not for this
I use the russilian science too, i do think keely was another great mind both my favorite theories. its interesting you brought him up too.
i have been looking at Russel and keely for a while now, such amazing people, generations ahead of the staus quo.
the stan meyer transformer is fed with a square wave it produces a perfect sinusoidal waveform at the resonant frequency
bob - i tried the diode mod just now, across the power and a recovery coil, both make my batteries stop charging the current draw goes down and the coil makes a louder sound, the speed of the wheel is pretty much unchanged.
the cosmic induction generator seems to be quite alot like the dynamo optic generator in many ways
what do you think of the twin opposed coil method the transmitter><receiver combo?

Haven't given much thought to twin opposed coils. I'm thinking more along the lines of counter rotating induced fields of differing harmonics. The counter rotation is a function of the harmonics. I am consumed by my pursuits at present. The problem with resonance alone is its a fixed frequency phenomena, that's part of the reason why I refer to it as a catalyst, the other part becomes clear when it is understood that LC resonance is needed in order that the other form of resonance can be brought into a self sustaining condition. Here LC resonance not only is a catalyst, it is a regulator. See at one point I too thought that a system forced to operate at a frequency that we select was the limit, the device would ramp up to the LC dictated speed and stay there. The second form of resonance which can be established without LC resonance, must be allowed to manifest in a parallel resonant system, so that we are enabled to control the ensuing runaway conditions that will manifest. The second form of resonance uses the parallel resonant condition of the circuit like a super conductor. In my system using the above described, a motors current limiting can be completely reversed. The motors consumption increases with increasing rpm, meaning that the motor which is equipped this principle will get stronger as it spins faster.

Anyway....thanks for that delayline patent, its awesome.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

http://www.google.com/patents/US4189654 delay line motor

i dont think resonance is the method of power production, however if you want to run a motor or "circulating current" its useful to be able to repeat at a rate that the elements work at, the rate is not important, at least not for this
I use the russilian science too, i do think keely was another great mind both my favorite theories. its interesting you brought him up too.
i have been looking at Russel and keely for a while now, such amazing people, generations ahead of the staus quo.
the stan meyer transformer is fed with a square wave it produces a perfect sinusoidal waveform at the resonant frequency
bob - i tried the diode mod just now, across the power and a recovery coil, both make my batteries stop charging the current draw goes down and the coil makes a louder sound, the speed of the wheel is pretty much unchanged.
the cosmic induction generator seems to be quite alot like the dynamo optic generator in many ways
what do you think of the twin opposed coil method the transmitter><receiver combo?

[erfinder]

The circuit i built push pull (the one that exploded because it got so fast) was impedance mismatched, i had twice the number of turns on the repulsion winding i also had a separate recovery winding which i tried 1:2 ,I tried the circuit again on my bigger sg but had disappointing results either the frequency was too low or the magnets were different strength, i dont know, i didnt see anything special and the current draw was high. i need to try again with better switching is what you said last time.

i also experimented with capacitors across the coil in a standard setup sg, which gave me much bigger output but caused the current to rise as well, i have seen designs for a delay line motor not sure if it was called that but it was an circular LRC network in resonance with a rotor in the middle

have you looked at the work of Walter Russel? if you haven't its a game changer in my opinion light years ahead!
look at the dynamo optic generator, he mentions power amplification as nature does it follows 8 16 32 64... or vice versa - reminded me of the impedance mismatch and the don smith setups.
i have been wanting to play with this idea, and everything has been leading down the same path - vortex technology or call it what you will, seems to be how nature likes to cool things down, ie gain energy.

if you like the mag amps another thing you should try out is the Stan Meyer stuff, its really easy to achieve resonance with just some basic circuits and inductor/ transformer. getting the transformer windings big enough to operate at a frequency that matches the cell was the part i gave up at. it still worked well enough to produce gas and show all the classic degenerate semi conductor properties on the anode, and a 5ma draw at the resonance peak, just at 1.6mhz, not circa 7khz anyhow this thread is not about this.
regards

This isn't my thread, you can bring up whatever you want as far as I'm concerned, everything is related, I like to think so anyway.

Walter Russell is central to what I do. I am trying to comprehend how his power amplification principle can be applied to the forces generated in motors and generators. I don't share your view resonance, I think of resonance as a catalyst. I don't believe coils have what we call a resonant frequency. I feel there is a sum of all possible resonant frequencies, what I would call "eigen" frequency, and this is what I think Keely called the chord of mass. I desire to strike this chord. I'm thinking the mechanism through which this can be facilitated is with a generator of proper construction. Any frequency can become "the" resonant frequency when the proper amount of capacitance is added. I have found what I feel is a another kind of resonance, this form of resonance is mentioned in the literature. I feel this form of resonance is directly related to a specific series of harmonics. I feel coils respond to all frequencies, and have come to the conclusion that there exists a specific series of frequencies where this other form of resonance predominates. This form of resonance is rectangular, versus sinusoidal. I think the connection to Russell is in the relation between the sine and square waves generated by properly constructed machines. The square wave is the three projectors, and six mirrors. The relation that the sine has to the square should be clear. The phase of the sine must be manipulable, so as to be associated with a specific corner, the the method by which one is granted the ability to identify and select the 012343210 points in the sine is also of extreme importance. Let your imagination fill in the rest, you know what becomes possible if this speculation could ever become more than just speculation, you know his works.

I haven't looked at the delay line motor. Sounds interesting, if you have more info, post it if you don't mind.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

The circuit i built push pull (the one that exploded because it got so fast) was impedance mismatched, i had twice the number of turns on the repulsion winding i also had a separate recovery winding which i tried 1:2 ,I tried the circuit again on my bigger sg but had disappointing results either the frequency was too low or the magnets were different strength, i dont know, i didnt see anything special and the current draw was high. i need to try again with better switching is what you said last time.

i also experimented with capacitors across the coil in a standard setup sg, which gave me much bigger output but caused the current to rise as well, i have seen designs for a delay line motor not sure if it was called that but it was an circular LRC network in resonance with a rotor in the middle

have you looked at the work of Walter Russel? if you haven't its a game changer in my opinion light years ahead!
look at the dynamo optic generator, he mentions power amplification as nature does it follows 8 16 32 64... or vice versa - reminded me of the impedance mismatch and the don smith setups.
i have been wanting to play with this idea, and everything has been leading down the same path - vortex technology or call it what you will, seems to be how nature likes to cool things down, ie gain energy.

if you like the mag amps another thing you should try out is the Stan Meyer stuff, its really easy to achieve resonance with just some basic circuits and inductor/ transformer. getting the transformer windings big enough to operate at a frequency that matches the cell was the part i gave up at. it still worked well enough to produce gas and show all the classic degenerate semi conductor properties on the anode, and a 5ma draw at the resonance peak, just at 1.6mhz, not circa 7khz anyhow this thread is not about this.
regards

[erfinder]

Thanks, i was just referring to the built in diodes in the mosfets creating a conducting path, a half bridge,
my next train of thought was that you didn't switch the coil on, you switched a pair of coils that were powered "off" by switching across them, which seems to be whats in the diagram. i also had a thought about using the circulating current in the coil to power itself and to couple to that with another output coil, please tell me if i am barking up the wrong tree, the best extraction i have achieved has been with a separate winding. I was also looking into magnetic amplifier topology. need to do experiments!

There is no tree. You know what you are after, I recommend you test till go get the results you want. The best recovery I have ever experienced with an SG circuit was with a circuit which was intentionally impedance mismatched. The result was that what I consider was 90 percent of the recoverable energy was outputting at the diode at the switch, and the remaining 10 percent was detectable at a second winding. When the extra coil was removed from the circuit, there was what looked like a 60/40 split. The higher of the two always manifesting at the switch. Something similar to this was demonstrated in one of the big Ferris wheel replications at one of the conferences. I don't experiment with the SG anymore, but that was a fascinating set of experiments, yielding really interesting results.

Mag amps are really interesting, I am looking at and experimenting with them myself.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

Thanks, i was just referring to the built in diodes in the mosfets creating a conducting path, a half bridge,
my next train of thought was that you didn't switch the coil on, you switched a pair of coils that were powered "off" by switching across them, which seems to be whats in the diagram. i also had a thought about using the circulating current in the coil to power itself and to couple to that with another output coil, please tell me if i am barking up the wrong tree, the best extraction i have achieved has been with a separate winding. I was also looking into magnetic amplifier topology. need to do experiments!

[erfinder]

Thanks Bob very interesting experiment, i tried this using a separate coil, i will try it this way.

just out of interest erfinder would your preferred coil switching method be a mosfet on each side of the coil? if so then i can see how the supply could be back popped, does it light a neon bulb across the supply line when you spin the motor by hand?
also do you have some videos of your work, i saw some once that were impressive but i have lost the link.

High and low side switching methods do not as far as I have been able to ascertain, "back pop" the supply. What they do is recharge the supply using conventional generator action mixed with the inductive collapse. That is not what I am looking for. What I am looking for and have accomplished (back popping as I interpret the phenomena), manifests only when one utilizes a circuit of properly communicating coils, in conjunction with a simple PWM circuit. The PWM is basically a mono-stable configured timer, triggered by a hall sensor. The mono-stable outputs to the fet driver, fet driver drives the fet, simple. Getting the effect is easy, or at least it has been for me. Understanding why its even possible is another subject. Comprehending enough to be enabled to magnify that which is hitting the supply capacitor will be difficult for many, however, one must have ones prize in sight, it makes all the difficulties encountered and to be encountered bearable.

I don't want to light a neon with generator action. What I want is to establish those conditions in my generator where an inductive discharge can be produced. The inductive discharge is then used to light the neon. The conventional generator must be pulsed, pulsed at the proper location in the induced wave. A pulsed generator is in essence a Magneto. Please don't take this lightly, there is more to it than simple coil shorting, but you know that already, coil shorting alone has yet to yield any fruit.

I removed all of my videos, I am in the process of reorganizing, and may upload them again some time in the future.


Regards