Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[erfinder]

Now I am not sure if these are them or not, as I really have not really looked into this as far as I should. And they are only drawings of potential scope shots. Three are from the Bedini 1984 book and the other a user from energetic forum posted.
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Do you have a link for the source of that last image?


Edit....found it.....

[Dave Wing]

so.....what are "del-Phi" waves......funny how you never see a scope shot...

Now I am not sure if these are them or not, as I really have not really looked into this as far as I should. And they are only drawings of potential scope shots. Three are from the Bedini 1984 book and the other a user from energetic forum posted.

[dennis foyil]

so.....what are "del-Phi" waves......funny how you never see a scope shot...

Two cents worth of peanuts: On Pp. 157&158 of JB's "circuits" book he is shown explaining the INFORMATION CONTENT OF THE TRIGGER PULSE. the diagram shows the pulse after the transistor. infolding?

[aln]

you got me, I'm just parroting I was mostly interested in the pic and how the on/off times were different than the one on John's site. Found them at the link that guyzzemf posted, cheniere.org. Have read all of it before, del-phi river flowing right over my head, no idea what it is. There were some pic's of "o wave"

Found this while browsing same website, In relation to your use of bemf:

• The power company uses the energy content in fossil and nuclear fuels to crank the shaft of the generator. This forcibly separates the opposite charges in the generator and its external circuit, forming a source dipolarity. By its asymmetry of opposite charges, every dipole in that dipolarity then continuously extracts EM energy directly from its local vacuum, and pours it out to form the associated field and potential energy available in the circuit to power the loads and losses.
• In the standard closed current loop system, half the energy collected from the vacuum by the external circuit is used only to drive the spent charges through ground return back to the generator and through the back emf of its source dipole. This forcibly scatters the separated opposite charges and destroys the dipolarity, quenching the free extraction of EM energy from the local vacuum.
• The other half of the collected energy in the external circuit is dissipated in the losses and loads of the external circuit itself. So less energy is used to power the load than is used to destroy the source dipolarity.
• To get more energy from the vacuum, it is necessary to again restore the source dipolarity in the generator and external circuit. To force the opposite charges back apart, at least as much shaft energy must be input to the generator again, as was used to destroy its dipolarity.
• Hence greater mechanical energy must continually be input to the shaft of the generator than is dissipated in the loads. The standard closed current loop circuit guarantees COP < 1.0 operation. The only reason for this insane operation is because the circuit is built specifically to require it and self-enforce it. Nature does not require it.
• Thus our power engineers only build power systems that destroy their “free extraction of vacuum energy” process faster than they use some of the vacuum-furnished energy to power their loads. We must pay to continually crank the generator shaft to restore the dipole that the circuit is designed to continually destroy.

[erfinder]

so.....what are "del-Phi" waves......funny how you never see a scope shot...

[aln]

[*]What is the mechanism through which the oscillations are generated and maintained?[*]How does the mechanism produce the oscillations?[*]How are these HF frequencies passed on to the battery to excite the ions?[/LIST]
When we look at the schematic we see that the battery will receive a pulse from the monopole generator. When the battery receives this impulse from the generator is not disclosed, the inventor gives no indication of where and when the generated wave will be interrupted, bridging the generator with the battery. The inventor gives no insight as to the nature of the energy generated by the generator! What we are led to speculate is that the generator is a monopole configuration much like the mechanical oscillator which was inspired by this very same topology. Truth as I have come to see it is similar is not the same. The coils do not present a monopole polarity to the magnets. The polarity of the coils alternate. The magnets on the other hand always have the same magnet pole facing the coils. In addition to this, it was pointed out by the inventor that the Watson machine, a device inspired by the free energy generator, had a non linear magnet to coil topology, this is of profound significance, but the inventor never ever sheds light on this aspect of the circuit. When you begin to place the pieces back together, you begin to see that the the generator is special! The complex waveform (oscillations if you prefer) which is responsible for exciting the ions of the battery electrolyte are generated by the generator!. In my opinion we aren't dealing with a generator in the true sense, "energizer" or powered magneto (complex wave generator) are better suited.

Food for thought.....


Regards

Old Pic from Beardan with a different on/off time

Beardan=Green
The trick here is to get the battery to recharge itself, without furnishing normal power to it, or expending work from the external circuit in the process.
To do this, recall that a charged particle in a "hooking" del-phi river moves itself. This is true for an ion, as well as for an electron. We need only make the del-phi in correct fashion and synchronize it; specifically, we must not release the hose nozzles we utilize to produce our del-phi river or waves.
The inventors who have discovered this have used various variations, but here we show a common one.
First, we add an "energizer" (often referred to by various other names) to the circuit. This device makes the del-phi waves we will utilize, but does NOT make currents of electron masses. In other words, it makes pure &#216;-dot. It takes a little work to do this, for the energizer circuit must pump a few charges now and then. So the energizer draws a little bit of power from the motor, but not very much.
Now we add a switching device, called a controller, which breaks up power to the motor in pulses. During one pulse, the battery is connected and furnishes power to the motor; during the succeeding pulse, the battery is disconnected completely from the motor and the output from the energizer is applied across the terminals of the battery.
If frequency content, spin-hole content, etc. are properly constructed by the energizer, then the ion movements in the battery reverse themselves, recharging the battery. Again, remember that these ions MOVE THEMSELVES during this recharge phase. Specifically, we are NOT furnishing ordinary current to the battery, and we are not doing work on it from the energizer.
If things are built properly, the battery can be made to more than recover its charge during this pulse cycle.
To prevent excess charge of the battery and overheating and destroying it, a sensor is added which senses the state of charge of the battery, and furnishes a feedback signal to the controller to regulate the length of recharge time per "power off" pulse. In other words, the system is now self-regulating.
The relation between power pulses and recharge pulses is shown on the graphs at the bottom. Note that regulation may decrease the time of recharge application of the del-phi river.
This system, if properly built and tuned, will furnish "free shaft energy" continually, without violating conservation of anenergy. Remember that the del-phi condition across the battery terminals means that spacetime is suddenly curved there, and conservation of energy need no longer apply.
Again, this system is consistent with general relativity and with the fact that &#216;-field alone can drive a situation relativistic. We have deliberately used these facts to do direct engineering. Our "extra energy" comes from shifting phi-flux -- the energy of the universal vacuum spacetime -- directly into ordinary energy for our use. Thus we draw on an inexhaustible source, and our device is no more esoteric than a paddlewheel in a river. The only difference is that, in this case, we have to be clever enough to make and divert the river in the right timing sequency.
This is a free energy device which an ordinary person, who knows a little electronics, can experiment with in the basement. To develop it, one is talking several thousands of dollars and a lot of persistence and tinkering; one is not talking millions.

[aln]

Let us look at what has been discussed then: From Ferris wheel discussion

Bedini=Blue

The machine requires one DC motor, 555 timer circuit for pulses to chop the DC motor, one mono pole energizer and one large mass weight wheel. the two signals are out of phase from each other. and a capacitor tuned to the energizer. That is the mystery. other then that some simple wiring, you wont do it on a small scale. As I said it is right in front of your eyes. It's the way you think about it.

since it is not a conventional generator you must store the charge before you discharge the capacitors to the batteries. If the timing is right the batteries charge right up to full.

I have used no reed switches as they are not dependable in this motor. It uses Hall devices in both sections.

Everybody should be able to see the coil arrangement, notice the outside coils 1/2 the impedance of the big center coil Total impedance of three coils 12 .2 ohms for that machine, not the three pole monopole kit.

On the monopole if you do it this way you must think about how to switch the output capacitor and use an inverted switch on the output batteries, again this is not the same machine. If you going to use the BI-POLAR SWITCH you can not trigger it like the SSG, I said it used halls.

Ren,
The Motor/Generator is also switched at five points of the magnets all coils being series arrangement, you can see the five dots. when they line up the magnets are popped with a trigger signal in the mean time everything is shorted out flux wise.
John

The coils are in phase, for a measured inductance of 12.6 ohms. What everybody is forgetting is the rotor is held in magnetic lock condition by the axial motor/generator as I showed this at the conference when starting the re-gauging motor.

The re-gauging takes place when the magnetic flip occurs.

Another thing here is the Axial Motor with pie cut magnets, What did ED say about his Perpetual motion holder, except Ed clamped it shut I did not do that I took advantage of the forces between poles in a series configuration and only needed to switch two little pulsed or what is called Re-gauging

I asked a simple question what is ED's machine and can you put it together or not. This is important because then you will understand how my big machine was ideling for no current.

[aln]

Still working to understand:

The switch, 555 monostable vibrator, in Bedini's picture switches between battery and "g field" or "energizer" do you use similar switch. Bedini's picture shows on/off time. very curious. How many switch points per revolution? One per magnet pass? 3 per magnet pass? It does not appear to be the same on and off time for the motor vs the generator.

[erfinder]

I am slow, just read the page on icehouse about "The Bedini Free Energy Generator".
Bedini=blue

Now this "free energy resonant coupling" can be done in a simple, cheap system. You don't need big cyclotrons and huge laboratories to do it; you can do it with ordinary D.C. motors, batteries, controllers and trigger circuits.

First we will need a big accumulator to hold a lot of the charged ions in the system that we wish to shock into oscillation. We need something that has a big capacitance and also contains a lot of ions.


An ordinary battery filled with electrolyte fits the bill nicely. While it is not commonly known, ordinary lead-acid storage batteries have a resonant ionic frequency, usually in the range of from 1-6 MHz. All we have to do is shock-oscillate the ions in the electrolyte at their resonant frequency and time our "trigger"potential and "siphon" current correctly. Then if we keep adding potential to trigger the system we can get all that "potential" to translate into "free electrical energy".

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Mention was made during the previous discussion of the g field and kromery which are related as here http://www.icehouse.net/john1/foreward.html

"Resonant coupling" that's something that needs to be investigated by all. What is resonant coupling as it applies to the subject matter? It is suggested that this "resonant coupling" can be done simple, that it can be done with ordinary D.C. motors, batteries, controllers and trigger circuits. Here we are presented with an "idea" its suggested that to put the idea into practice we need a large accumulator which holds lots of ions, a battery, the ions in the battery are then shocked into oscillation. The rest of the disclosure just throws you into this perpetual circle where you have no idea which way is up. We know what we need, and that's where it stops, nothing in the disclosure explains why! The relation of the parts shed no light on our situation, its as if we are to speculate on the relations, and hope for the best.

So we have an accumulator, a reservoir of ions, we know its not going to excite itself, but are given no insights into how the disclosed circuit delivers the claimed effect. How the components are combined isn't questioned, the circuit is provided, however, a schematic isn't a description of the actions taking place inside the circuit. What actions within the motor, and between it, the controller, and trigger circuits, result in the oscillations needed to shock into oscillation at their resonant frequency? It was stated that the resonant ionic frequency is in the range between 1-6 MHz. This frequency band exceeds the limits of the components responsible for exciting the battery! This begs the questions of:

• What is the mechanism through which the oscillations are generated and maintained?
• How does the mechanism produce the oscillations?
• How are these HF frequencies passed on to the battery to excite the ions?

When we look at the schematic we see that the battery will receive a pulse from the monopole generator. When the battery receives this impulse from the generator is not disclosed, the inventor gives no indication of where and when the generated wave will be interrupted, bridging the generator with the battery. The inventor gives no insight as to the nature of the energy generated by the generator! What we are led to speculate is that the generator is a monopole configuration much like the mechanical oscillator which was inspired by this very same topology. Truth as I have come to see it is similar is not the same. The coils do not present a monopole polarity to the magnets. The polarity of the coils alternate. The magnets on the other hand always have the same magnet pole facing the coils. In addition to this, it was pointed out by the inventor that the Watson machine, a device inspired by the free energy generator, had a non linear magnet to coil topology, this is of profound significance, but the inventor never ever sheds light on this aspect of the circuit. When you begin to place the pieces back together, you begin to see that the the generator is special! The complex waveform (oscillations if you prefer) which is responsible for exciting the ions of the battery electrolyte are generated by the generator!. In my opinion we aren't dealing with a generator in the true sense, "energizer" or powered magneto (complex wave generator) are better suited.

Food for thought.....


Regards

[aln]

Aln,

I find it unfortunate how none made the connection between what I "was" sharing, and "The Bedini Free Energy Generator". Thanks for starting this thread, hopefully some good will come out of it.


Regards

I am slow, just read the page on icehouse about "The Bedini Free Energy Generator".
Bedini=blue

Now this "free energy resonant coupling" can be done in a simple, cheap system. You don't need big cyclotrons and huge laboratories to do it; you can do it with ordinary D.C. motors, batteries, controllers and trigger circuits.

First we will need a big accumulator to hold a lot of the charged ions in the system that we wish to shock into oscillation. We need something that has a big capacitance and also contains a lot of ions.


An ordinary battery filled with electrolyte fits the bill nicely. While it is not commonly known, ordinary lead-acid storage batteries have a resonant ionic frequency, usually in the range of from 1-6 MHz. All we have to do is shock-oscillate the ions in the electrolyte at their resonant frequency and time our "trigger"potential and "siphon" current correctly. Then if we keep adding potential to trigger the system we can get all that "potential" to translate into "free electrical energy".



Mention was made during the previous discussion of the g field and kromery which are related as here http://www.icehouse.net/john1/foreward.html

[aln]

Aln,

I find it unfortunate how none made the connection between what I "was" sharing, and "The Bedini Free Energy Generator". Thanks for starting this thread, hopefully some good will come out of it.


Regards

I am far behind the curve on electronic language/terminology and am working to understand. I will definitely be guilty of parroting you, in fact that is my intent, glad to see you are still around. I enjoyed yours and Toms dialogue. Though we are discussing some of John Bedini's technology I chose to place this thread here so as not to confuse beginners in the ssg following. (I am a beginner as well, mostly fixing dead batteries and not as concerned with efficiencies for that purpose.)

So, here we go again, not allowing Mr. Erfinder to disappear

Red=Erfinder

A powerful message was encoded into the Ferris wheel

I think JB is taking full advantage of this effect in the "Self Reguaging Idling Magneto"

The Ferris wheel hub motor/generator is not the SG, the Ferris wheel three coil device, is not the SG prior art, look at it, look at the circuit driving it.

The SG portion of the Ferris wheel is a massive mismatched impedance network using three coils. It should be clear that impedance mismatching is imperative, this was demonstrated from day one, in the prior art.

From the quotes I came to the conclusion that the true significance of the additional coil is for the expressed purpose of establishing an imbalance in the impedance of the coil, tuning is secondary to this.

Improper coil polarity, improper coil to coil communication, and improper switching position are the main reasons why no one has seen the effect. JB shared a coil connection method in his Self Reguaging Idling Magneto that I found highly curious, he didn't share why this connection method was significant, investigation (effort) on my part was required. After what seems like an eternity, I now have a pretty good idea of why the connection method is significant. The connection changed how I look at motors and generators forever.

Proper geometry of coils enables us to achieve high recovery regardless of high CEMF, there is no need for us to come up with ways to lower the CEMF, we need to comprehend what CEMF really is, because it isn't going anywhere.

Two avenues are presented in part and as confused as the presenter, SINE and COSINE. You are familiarizing yourself with the sine function, the cosine function is a mystery that has only been passively mentioned. The goal is synthesis of the two, when this happens, the result is what I call CYMATICS in the stator.

[erfinder]

Aln,

I find it unfortunate how none made the connection between what I "was" sharing, and "The Bedini Free Energy Generator". Thanks for starting this thread, hopefully some good will come out of it.


Regards

[Tom C]

I thought I was answering your question... sorry dude.

Tom C

[erfinder]

its what you switch, ( a properly configured coil array) driving a rotor (properly configured magnetically) when you switch (what point in the coil magnet timing) how you switch ( using a monostable 555 timer to drive the base driven by a hall) and the effect that is produced by that, - which is the recharging the power supply, be it a battery or capacitor bank or feeding back to the grid, whatever, the implication is a self runner. if it is only a discovered effect and not stable then it needs more research.

Tom C

You are parroting Tom.....obsessed with the means, disinterested in why. How many have tried setups similar to the one being discussed, and without knowing it probably have had really small returns like those that Kiril showed in his last video, values so small that they are quickly passed over, these researchers promptly throw in the towel and bash the person who brought the idea to their attention. You clearly don't know what I am saying. This is no fault of your own, maybe I don't know what I am saying eh? Doesn't change the facts though...

Regarding the question of whether its just an effect or if its stable...you cant be serious, does it matter? Have you ever seen this effect before? I have heard it suggested but never saw any of the ones doing the suggesting actually do it? Sorry Tom but this is a stupid question, one that I am absolutely positive you wouldn't have asked JB if he was the one who presented this to you. I have shared all that I care to share with you, like all others you were provided with all you needed to get the the basic effect on your own, you must do what researchers do to make it do more, its not my job to spoon feed you nor anyone job to spoon feed me. It's so unfortunate that the majority want stability to precede comprehension of the underlying mechanism? Your definition of stable isn't mine, when your definition becomes my definition then maybe you will have your answer.

The one thing you got right, the implication is self runner, you are so absorbed with the obvious that the "meat" just passes you by.


Regards

[Tom C]

its what you switch, ( a properly configured coil array) driving a rotor (properly configured magnetically) when you switch (what point in the coil magnet timing) how you switch ( using a monostable 555 timer to drive the base driven by a hall) and the effect that is produced by that, - which is the recharging the power supply, be it a battery or capacitor bank or feeding back to the grid, whatever, the implication is a self runner. if it is only a discovered effect and not stable then it needs more research.

Tom C