Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[Kiril_Kirilov]

Originally Posted by bigmotherwhale the people who get your kits are one lucky bunch.

I am not lucky. I made a decision. I have made sacrifices and changed my entire lifestyle to have the privilege of following the white rabbit in wonderland. Everything in life is about choices and priorities.

I also made sacrifices, which I'm still paying for.
But I am extremely happy of the choices I've made, and the privilege tо look into the hole

[OrthoParameter]

Apples and Oranges

This is a shame Steve,
Every post you make I consider.
the more you say, the more I comprehend of what you have said before, people are always going to compare, if you dont know if you have an orange or an apple a comparason might help, a picture of an orange might help decide what you have, and you dont have to
picture of the magnetic field is the one that sticks with me.. how this relates to the things you will say i will get back to you.
im sorry this all upsets you, i feel this is my fault and for that i am sorry.
you think i come to my own conculsions and push what you say to aside, but i assure you the conculsions i come to are in no way final. the first things you have said are still under consideration and will be untill i comprehend, i think the only way forward is through experiments, i hope i find what you did though dedication and logic.
the people who get your kits are one lucky bunch.
hopefully one day this will be comprehended so we dont continue to ruin our planet.
at least there is geothermal energy.... oh wait how does that work

In the beginning; I was much more confused than you seem to be. The last few posts remind me of myself when I first started throwing cases of oranges in the air hoping that just one of them would turn into an apple before it hit the ground. Then I decided to just go down the rabbit hole with Steve and things get clearer every day. I say this to you with the best of intentions and not as criticism.

the people who get your kits are one lucky bunch.

I am not lucky. I made a decision. I have made sacrifices and changed my entire lifestyle to have the privilege of following the white rabbit in wonderland. Everything in life is about choices and priorities.

[Radiantnrg]

Bob Smith, we are not going to connect our motor section coils, but we would like to connect our generator section coils similar to how you described. It will take much testing to find out what works and what doesn't.

[forelle]

I want a generator which has no effect on the prime mover, its output is irrelevant.
Thats what i also want.

[bob smith]

Maybe I'm off-base, but standing back and thinking about things, the following set of linked questions arise for me:

If successive coils on the stator are wound in opposite directions and joined in series, does this provide a means for harnessing the CEMF arising as each magnet on the rotor passes by a coil?
If this is the case, then are successive pairs of coils going to act like series-wound bifilar coils?
And if so, will the interplay between rotor magnets and the entire array of coils acting in series-wound bifilar fashion naturally reach its own resonant point (with resultant lowered impedance) so that in effect, the whole array of coils, joined in series provides a continuous path for unidirectional flux?
Would the dynamics of series-wound-bifilar coils apply therefore to the entire circular array of coils wired in series? That is, would we have...
- decreased current due to cancellation of magnetic fields?
- but increased capacitance between windings?
- increased voltage output?
- and if all the windings were in series, would the entire set of windings behave as a shorted bifilar coil in resonance, with lowered impedance?
If this were the case, would the whole system, in a sense, hum at its own resonant frequency (and lowered impedance) and with the bifilar-like configuration, be open to the dielectric ambient medium?

Bob

[bigmotherwhale]

you have asked us to look between the turns

http://i.stack.imgur.com/9kaOs.jpg

thought i may as well say it as you are gone i can speculate all i want, the coil is storing the electro motive force between the turns.

[bigmotherwhale]

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...petal-rope.gif

around the wire, also orthogonal

this also seemed relevant especialy the part about the power triangle http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/vincent...301Topic35.pdf

and this http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/...resonance.html

'For those who don't want to give up their pursuit of radiant. Think about this, the supply is limited to how much current it can supply for the eventual production of effects associated with what Tesla called Radiant, on the other hand, a reactive circuit is limited only by the operator. You know the parallel LC can have more current circulating in it than the supply can deliver...'

a discription of a self powering system? reactive radiant?

'The point is not to get the energy from the power supply back to the power supply.'

'We know or should be aware of the fact that through clever switching we can get around the the negative effects associated with generator action, this was the number one lesson I received from the SG and variants,'

- are you talking about the short sharp pulses and the long off time

'If its an oscillator, whats oscillating?' If its the transistor, the circuit is a black hole that you will watch lots of money disappear into - like every other classic is a transistor oscilator and wastes power, therefore the coil does not oscilate

'the switch is a catalyst' so you need a switch to turn the thing 'on' the switch does not supply the power, the power is reactive

'mass had an explanation that my simple mind could comprehend' the mass of the coil is important or the ratio?

'obsessed with the means, disinterested in why' need i say more

'A powerful message was encoded into the Ferris wheel' the same as coral castle?

its a shame you are fed up its clear you have worked hard, i have so many questions it will be difficulkt to answer them without you.

regards

[bigmotherwhale]

you have asked us to look between the turns

http://i.stack.imgur.com/9kaOs.jpg

[bigmotherwhale]

This is a shame Steve,
Every post you make I consider.
the more you say, the more I comprehend of what you have said before, people are always going to compare, if you dont know if you have an orange or an apple a comparason might help, a picture of an orange might help decide what you have, and you dont have to
picture of the magnetic field is the one that sticks with me.. how this relates to the things you will say i will get back to you.
im sorry this all upsets you, i feel this is my fault and for that i am sorry.
you think i come to my own conculsions and push what you say to aside, but i assure you the conculsions i come to are in no way final. the first things you have said are still under consideration and will be untill i comprehend, i think the only way forward is through experiments, i hope i find what you did though dedication and logic.
the people who get your kits are one lucky bunch.
hopefully one day this will be comprehended so we dont continue to ruin our planet.
at least there is geothermal energy.... oh wait how does that work

[erfinder]

Reading through the various responses its clear that folks want to keep what they have and apply what I am saying to it. This in and of itself is harmless. The problem is I am not convinced that you get what I am suggesting. Feeling like you get it isn't the same as having it, I am trying my best to send one message home, I would like for you to see what I see! From your responses, it seems as if you all are becoming preoccupied with your interpretations of what I am saying, and in so doing, see what you want to see, instead of seeing what I would like for you to see. Progress cannot come from this. I state over and over, once you see what I see "then" you can do what you want, think what you want. You guys have skipped the seeing what I see and have gone straight to thinking what you want, also harmless in the grand scheme of things, however, with no foundation we cannot move forward, and that inevitably leads to stagnation. It cannot continue like this. This thread is about dissecting things that I have said....and doing so like I'm not in the same room as you?!? The idea of that gives me a weird feeling, its as if you are more interested in your own ideas about what I am saying instead of what I am saying, also cool, but at this stage is kinda counter productive. It's been recommended that I leave you guys to this for a while, leave you with your preoccupation. It is clear that none are interested in the tool I have prepared for this endeavor, and are only interested in piecing the system together from fragments, sad really, because that effort isn't necessary. I am really starting to see the wisdom in that suggestion, for one cannot assist one in filling his cup when the cup is already filled. I am spending more time here trying to assist you folks here than I am spending with the folks who have made the decision to walk side by side with me, this ends now. Not going to abandon ship folks.....just going to spend more time with those who want to see what I see, and less time here trying to convince you that it's worth it.

I ask that you guys "consider" the information. The word consider was selected because of its meaning. I am not asking you to compare, I am asking you to put yourself in my position, not "our" position. I am asking you to set that which occupies you down for a moment and "consider" what I am suggesting. After you see what must be seen, experience what must be experienced, when you finally get me, get what I'm ranting about, and see the potential of it, then, please by all means compare apples with oranges if that's your thing.


Regards

[bigmotherwhale]

I have internet access on holiday good to see the thread is progressing. alot of thinking going on.
i have been thinkink (inwardly may i add) about the tesla stacked pancake coil, and also thought about coil composed of iron wire (and how the same coil direction casuses an oposite pole) and copper wire with iron on the outside and the effect his would have on the magnetic and dielectric feild, and some of the comments JB made about an iron wound coil, and the work around for a coil wound in one direction only. just thought id tell rather than speculate this time....

I see the between turns relationship of the magnetic and dielectric has also been discussed, it seems my explanation before was too vague (n+s=0) Im following in complete agreement...

Bob im following your thinking closely, your explanations are good. I have been thinking for a few days while i have been away about the tesla stacked inductor and how it matches with what is being discussed about unidirectional flux, post 153, seems aln is following lines of thought too.

After the diagram of the magnetic field i was thinking about coil switching positions and how JTDC relates to it..

erfinder post 160 and 170 makes me feel better i was begining to feel a bit disheartened...

Oh i just found this, looking for iron wound cores with a copper core... seems i cant stop with the stan meyer stuff - http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...fd_NjMEhPPFzUw

I i am trying to work out how the energy gets through the mosfet, my initial thoughts were avalanche breakdown (punch through i think its called) now im thinking its the capacity of the componet, or a combination. especialy if your square wave is indeed hetrodyne 13579 x F (eigenvector if my comprehension is correct which you mention before.)

edit: also relation to the switching is the use of two drive transistors when, classic designs use one, i belive (speculation) that this is to do with DC isolation from the supply, and AC coupling, the coil will be 'floating' on small capacitors, anyones thoughts?
hope you are all good

also can anyone find the relevant tesla stacked inductor pat?

[bob smith]

Here is what I have found....more text.....[*]The second type of machine is foreign to all but a few. This type of machine has no effect on the prime movers consumption, positive or negative. When this generator is loaded, impedance unspecific, a magnetic field is generated which at first glance appears to be cancelling itself as its being generated. The field isn't cancelling, think about it, that which we call neutralization or cancellation in coils we call attraction when dealing with permanent magnets. In this type of generator the coils are not dominated by their inductive property, the field is moving inward versus outward (look between the turns people....method to the madness). This kind of system is in my opinion capacitive, implosive, the magnetic field is moving in the direction of.....the space between spaces....what does the magnetic field meet when it arrives at its destination...the dielectric field maybe?[/LIST]

With that being said, I am not the least bit interested in the output of machines based on designs that we know have a negative effect on the prime mover. I want a generator which has no effect on the prime mover, its output is irrelevant.
Regards

Yes! The dielectric is centripetal, counter-spatial and implosive in its effects.
I think this guy's transformer setup really speaks to this in terms of the shorted bifilar configuration. His two secondary coils are wound in opposite directions on the same core, so that the core behaves like a series-wound bifilar coil, so that the entire setup appears to be bringing in more energy than is supplied, with a COP of roughly 1.6. Watch after 25 minutes (where I've set the link to begin, to the end, and he explains what's happening).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXno...ailpage#t=1502
Bob

Edit: See what he says at 44:40 re the results of shorting the oppositely-wound coils in the secondary: "We're dealing with some sort of source that's all around us here, some sort of a negative energy ... there's another force at play here; this other force acts like a negative electromagnetic force."

And so, if the swbf coil's windings actually concentrate the magnetic fields between windings, perhaps they are drawing the dielectric into the system by doing so. However, it appears from the above presenter, that this phenomenon becomes a game-changer when the coils are shorted.

[Radiantnrg]

We see the motor function and generator function being 2 separate optimized parts for their specific use. We don't see any system doing both well at the same time. For the motor section we just want high torque out of it to run the generator section. It only needs to be slightly over unity in and of itself as it will have no electrical connection to the generator section. I have described the motor section in another post but will add more now. We see the motor as just of group of simple electromagnets that can flip polarity to use both attraction and repulsion. We are going to attempt single wire coils that flip polarity and gain energy from the collapsing fields. We will use a circuit similar to the simple SG circuit but slow the switching of polarity down to apply more force to the 2 rotors. We will have only one transistor per coil. There will be a separate single wound, very small switching coil for every coil. For a powerful electromagnet in general takes many turns of small wire wound on round spool with some type of solid core. It's just a matter of how many coils will it take to run a generator. It's very simple!

The generator section is controlled by the equation (Velocity of rotor x length of wire x strength of field x sin of theta = EMF)
We want a DC generator with no commutator so we have a large barrel shaped rotor with long rows of magnets on it. On the inside of the case will be many long narrow coils. Coils that have thicker wire and fewer wraps to keep the Lenz affect down. Long for the given equation. We want a large magnet to coils interface area. The large diameter of the rotor will keep the velocity up without going to high RPM'S. That also keeps the path of magnets more linear. Because of that we eliminate (x the sin of theta) in the given equation. We don't want many magnets interfacing many coils at the same time to keep power surges down. We don't know if this can be done with all the same magnet poles facing out. We think the coils will be wired together in some way to keep the CEMF moving foward. Bob Smith in post 185 asks some very good questions on how to connect them and the possible results.

If this generator doesn't work then we will use a conventional one. The system will be over unity by the amount of power created by the generator (example a 10 KW generator). We will have real time power not just limited to charging batteries.

CAD Models of both sections are in my album. Open sourcing for all.

I have been waiting 2 hours for an 88 KB generator cad file to download. I am going to post this update now and wait until its done.

[erfinder]

Here is what I have found....more text.....

In the video I mentioned yesterday we find JB saying people in the know can use the SG, because it is a Lenzless generator. Early in my playing around with this I was inclined to accept that, however, through more experiments than I care to comment on, and proper application of common sense, I realized that something was not quite right with this statement, I couldn't bring myself to accept it. It is true that the design and function circumvents some of the negative aspects of Lenz, however some is not all. A lenzless motor would behave like a series wound motor, the consumption would increase, and the motor would run away, as consumption increased with increasing rpm. This is not what we find happening in this circuit. I am aware that this machine isn't considered to be motor or generator, but it is not fair to say that its neither of these when all the facts indicate that it has the attributes of both.

I have come to consider two completely different generator types which in truth cannot really be classified as Lenzless, even though their operation would lead one to believe that they are.

• The first machine behaves like the Kromrey or G-field, the application of a short or low impedance load causes the machine to accelerate, this results in the consumption of the prime mover to decrease. This is the favorite of the majority. In this type of system the device isn't lenzless, for all intents an purposes, Lenz has been inverted.
  
  
• The second type of machine is foreign to all but a few. This type of machine has no effect on the prime movers consumption, positive or negative. When this generator is loaded, impedance unspecific, a magnetic field is generated which at first glance appears to be cancelling itself as its being generated. The field isn't cancelling, think about it, that which we call neutralization or cancellation in coils we call attraction when dealing with permanent magnets. In this type of generator the coils are not dominated by their inductive property, the field is moving inward versus outward (look between the turns people....method to the madness). This kind of system is in my opinion capacitive, implosive, the magnetic field is moving in the direction of.....the space between spaces....what does the magnetic field meet when it arrives at its destination...the dielectric field maybe?

With that being said, I am not the least bit interested in the output of machines based on designs that we know have a negative effect on the prime mover. I want a generator which has no effect on the prime mover, its output is irrelevant.


Regards

[forelle]

At the moment my device produces 75V rms and 9A rms (with 250W input,the primemover is not proper tuned and the charged batteries are not counted),and now i would like to charge a capacitor at the peak of the sinewave and discharge it to the load(also trough the charging/shorting the generator should need less input besause it is not holded back trough the generatorcoil).I dont really understand what comes into play when we charge a cap in paralell and discharge in series(serps).Maybe i missed the explanation.

Any idea