Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[guyzzemf]

come up with a better generator.

if a generator could be made just 10 percent more eff. it be worth billions . just look at airlines a new jet engine that is 10 percent more eff will save
them millions
guy

[bob smith]

I can't speak for Erfinder, but my sense is that he is trying to impart some principles. Once a person understands principles, they can build many things that produce results. The title of the thread is "Dissecting Erfinder's Comments." For me, this means going thru these comments and trying to understand them. The delivery is what it is, and I'll respect the style in which it's delivered. My job, as I see it, is to go back thru the comments and identify the principles embedded there to form a set of reliable parameters within which I can envision a build. I think this is the key to getting past so much of the obfuscation and misdirection that is in the alternate energy movement, the kind that leads people in unproductive circles. It means going to the work of reliable sources like Tesla and seeing how they corroborate with some of today's promising builders. It means looking at promising innovations and identifying principles they have in common with other promising builds. It can be a slow, painstaking process, and it is only one way of proceeding. This, I believe, is the method being offered thru these comments. Others have other methods, and we are all free to choose who to read, follow and discuss.

[Radiantnrg]

The CAD model concept in my album is one machine we were thinking of building before finding this forum. We still may build it but will do extensive coil research first. The basis for this design and how it would work - We don't see any proof that a Bedini type machine can produce much usable power on it's own and never real time. We see no one off gridd powering a house or a car with them. We do see that they can produce extremely high amounts of torque. We want to take advantage of it's high torque to run a conventional generator unless we can come up with a better generator. To get higher torque we would put many bifilar coils in a large diameter circle of 24" to 36 inches. Only bifilar coils as we don't care about it's power out put only that is self runs by battery swapping. The coils would not be switched by the magnets. The generator would be the power source. Also to get higher torque the coils have been turned so that rotors would be on each end of them. Each rotor would have opposite polarity magnets that would be at both ends of the coils at the same time. Hopefully this would double the power. In the model the coil spools are shown.This was inspired by the Lockridge device and would be a variation of the theme with no electrical connections between the motor and generator.

Update to make the model very clear. The yellow parts are 16 coil spoils with no wires showing. The green parts hold the coils. The 2 purple discs are the rotors connected to the shaft and spin in unison with the generator. The blue discs on the rotors are magnets and presently 16 on each disc. Only one set of magnets can be seen in this view. The aqua box is a standard generator taken from a gas powered generator. Ask any thing you want, it's open sourcing.

[Lman]

Erfinder,

I never looked at a DC motor as a pure DC either.

Well, do not get annoyed so fast when somebody says what he thinks. Seems I was thinking about the Big Ferris while you meant the other one.
Even if I was at the conference and we were looking at the same thing the chance is that one might get it wrong so I have no problem when somebody say that I do not know something. This is why we discuss.
About the Ferris Wheel's coils I meant the biggest one - JB's. By the data given on the energetic forum about the coils and how I got it working this was my opinion about them. I relate that to carefully calculated resonance.
The machine of ErikN ... I watched the video long time ago but I remember well that moment and it was interested to me that it can be done with two coils as well instead of three. And I remember also there was a woman JB asked about the pulsing of the coils so as she described it the air core coil was pulsing faster. So I thought that this coils was dscharging and pulsing the bigger as well.
Than there was a video on the YT by Min2oly who did something similar with additional coil.
After all I might be right about the big one and everything shows you are right about the other one.
And I see the solution with the machine of ErikN more as a compromise. Kind of ... it would work but it would be better if it is done as in the big one.

Here is the video of Min2oly : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkPu8_wNpc


You see, it is not only you who see things but the people do not discuss.

My opinion

Lman

[erfinder]

Erfinder,

Just finished reading your last long post.
You want to see the babies jumping before they are able to crawl
I told you, you are just much more advanced in what you have learned and in your research. And there are not many to see just by words what you are talking about. Kiril_Kirilov managed to do it but looking at his video and the expensive tools he has ... it shows you that he is not just one of the many here. The user urcoffeetastestoasty managed to understand as well and did some interesting things, now he deleted his videos and disappeared.
There are many people just reading or coming to the forum because they want to learn this new things but that does not mean we should reject the conventional books. There are many people with no electronic background (like me) and all they have learned about a diode for example is that it is like one way valve while there is much more to be learned about it. I use inductors and I still do not know how to calculate the right inductance in case I need it. Everybody is using what has been called electricity but after so many years nobody knows what it is. People watch their watches and yet nobody knows what time is. I see nothing wrong to read and in my case I read from different sources to extend the knowledge. It is easy to forget things and details and it is helpful to refresh the knowledge as well.
The authorities as you call them are trying their best to feed everybody with information - from the beginner that just learned what a resistor is to the advanced like you.
There are people of course who read and steal ideas as well, than call them theirs. But if somebody is here to share he knows why he does it.
I think it was better that you did not post a schematic, the mess would have been even bigger as everyone would start interpret it and you are right about this. Probably you should have given small consecutive steps to the people like me who have hard time to get it.
You said it in previous posts that you switch at the peak and this is why I suggested that we read again your posts in order to make the connection - inductors, impedances, switching, magnets ....


Regards
Lman

You hit the nail on the head, there have been a few who have seen something in what I am saying. Kiril was the first and last to even "try" publicly to get the effect. His effort was rewarded when after 10 tries, he got the buffer capacitor to increase 8.8v over the supply. Soon he will be able to get 160v over the supply like I do with a machine like the one he got from me. urcoffeetastestoasty is like many of you, he saw the potential in what I was saying but had his own view that he could not let go of. After he left here I lost contact with him, I have no idea why he took down his work. I hope he is doing well, and is still a passionate researcher.

I do not recommend we throw out the text books! I reference them when it suits me. There are enough folks out there who have made it their job to remind us how wrong the establishment is, and well that's their right, I don't find it necessary to dig that deep into the books. Generally the books don't come out and tell us how to do the things we discuss on these pages anyway, so no harm no foul.

The only problem I have with those whom I refer to as authorities is the same one that many have with me, "Why don't you just come out and say it." I am saying it! I cant be any clearer than I am right now!

Rereading my own text I see how difficult it is for you all, to follow along, but you are following along and that's awesome. I am not telling you anything that you shouldn't already know! My machine which I don't really care about demonstrating again, is modeled after mainstream! I asked one of you to spot the difference between the mainstream concept and whats being discussed, and find it awesome that the individual saw no difference, see there is no difference. My concept is one which will enable us to "patch" the system! You don't get around Lenz by excluding him, you get around him by comprehending what he is, then you are in the position to use him and reverse his influence on the system. CEMF in a motor limits the current, what you must see is that the mechanism responsible for the generation of CEMF can be used to cause consumption to increase with increasing RPM! This is why I say, increase the CEMF, don't decrease it like we are being told. Use the force which limits to push you to new heights. I have demonstrated that the negative effect of CEMF can be reversed, and can do this again and again and again...but what would be the point of demonstrating something to you over and over and over, if you don't get how and why this is even possible?

Your attention is on the majority, look inward, think of yourself, take your time, as much as you require, consider the information, at your leisure of course.


Regards

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder
Why do you let all speculate what you have?How many letters would you like to write till you show us what you want to show.

Forelle
The game will stop when people see what it is and stop asking him questions or responding to him. He only responds to others comments to him and never offers info on his own. His standard reply written in different ways and veiled in double talk is this'
1. Everyone is too stupid to see what I see. 2. I am god and the only one who will ever see it. 3. I am the only one who has a good machine. 4. The only way to see what I see is to buy a kit from me. 5. the double talk cover up is this - I would rather people see it on their own and not buy a kit (that's a lie) because he already stated we will never see it unless we buy his kit from him. It's all just a big psychological sales ploy. We need to go to each other now for help and not him. I am going to open source everything we discover. Our research is going to start tomorrow and we hope to be able start answering freely all the questions people have been asking here and he refuses to answer.

This is not a message to erfinder and do not want any kind of reply from him.

You may not want a reply from me but you are going to get one. I can understand your disgust, your frustration. You can vent here, I have no problem with it, I also have no problem with your projection of this frustration in my direction. I don't think you are stupid, these are your words not mine. I constantly remind all that I believe in you guys and know that eventually you will come to see what I see. You weren't around before I removed all the info that you are now asking for, or not asking for. It's unfortunate that you showed up this late in the game. You informed me that you are part of a team of brilliant individuals, this being the case, you don't need anything from me. You and your team can and will make it happen. You approach me with this attitude like I owe you something. Sir/madam, not really sure, I don't owe you a thing. You want to open source all your findings, I applaud you on that, its not my cup o tea. I know what open source really means, and am no fan of it.

I made it perfectly clear early in these discussions that the effect is so easy to get that you all will be slapping yourselves silly when you finally see it. The thing is, when you get the effect you cannot stagnate, the effect is just the beginning!!! In time, those who absolutely refuse to take my assistance, and do things on their own will get the effect, and will try every scheme they can to close the loop. I know because that's exactly what we do....I know I did......cost me every bit of a month, thankfully I caught myself and regained my focus on what really matters, which is, comprehending all attributes and phenomena manifesting in and about the loop that we desire to close.

Your public display of affection towards me is refreshing, as rewarding to the soul as your barrage of false accusations. You don't know me, nor my motivation for being here. Your attitude isn't one which would motivate me to contact you in private and have a chit chat with you about what I think I have found. I recommend you sit down at a table with your team of brilliant minds and "consider" the information instead of investing your energy in a manner which is counter productive to your goal.


Regards

[Lman]

Erfinder,

Just finished reading your last long post.
You want to see the babies jumping before they are able to crawl
I told you, you are just much more advanced in what you have learned and in your research. And there are not many to see just by words what you are talking about. Kiril_Kirilov managed to do it but looking at his video and the expensive tools he has ... it shows you that he is not just one of the many here. The user urcoffeetastestoasty managed to understand as well and did some interesting things, now he deleted his videos and disappeared.
There are many people just reading or coming to the forum because they want to learn this new things but that does not mean we should reject the conventional books. There are many people with no electronic background (like me) and all they have learned about a diode for example is that it is like one way valve while there is much more to be learned about it. I use inductors and I still do not know how to calculate the right inductance in case I need it. Everybody is using what has been called electricity but after so many years nobody knows what it is. People watch their watches and yet nobody knows what time is. I see nothing wrong to read and in my case I read from different sources to extend the knowledge. It is easy to forget things and details and it is helpful to refresh the knowledge as well.
The authorities as you call them are trying their best to feed everybody with information - from the beginner that just learned what a resistor is to the advanced like you.
There are people of course who read and steal ideas as well, than call them theirs. But if somebody is here to share he knows why he does it.
I think it was better that you did not post a schematic, the mess would have been even bigger as everyone would start interpret it and you are right about this. Probably you should have given small consecutive steps to the people like me who have hard time to get it.
You said it in previous posts that you switch at the peak and this is why I suggested that we read again your posts in order to make the connection - inductors, impedances, switching, magnets ....


Regards
Lman

[erfinder]

Well, I have read some of the Patents although not studied them thoroughly as you and I do not know why the self-induction would be a bad thing since he relied heavily on it after abandoned AC. In this patent he relates to "electric apparatus or systems in which alternating currents are employed". And saying "in many cases" raises the question which are the other cases when the self-induction is not disadvantage. There is nothing in the patent about disruptive discharges but he relates to high frequencies and the relation of the coil and its capacitance. He "complains" about capacitors and finds his way to avoid them. So probably he was using the chokes to tune things.
And in Colorado Springs he had coils tuned to 1/2 and 1/4 the wave of the big one if I am not mistaken.

When I look at a motor I see a DC biased pulsed AC machine. This is a difficult pill to swallow, but its what I see. The role of self induction isn't the same as it is in a straight AC system. Two induction mechanisms are at play, your job is to identify the two. I don't care about the Colorado springs stuff, nor do I care about the AC stuff, I care only about the patents dealing with the subject under discussion. I don't care about tuning, I don't tune anything, I allow the system to tune itself. Properly configured systems tune themselves! Most miss the connection that self induction has to capacity, I almost missed it, keep in mind he replaced the capacitor proper with an inductor....?! Also keep in mind, the coil is connected in such a manner that the inductive property is augmented, wound and connected as Tesla describes, coils have a 4x increase in inductance!! This leads me to believe that the turn to turn voltage increase has little to do with "capacitance" in the true sense of the term, but more to do with the capacity that the coil has for opposing changes in current, the result...potentials.

By the way, every time I see you mentioning the coils in the Ferris Wheel as impedance mismatched something is telling me that it is not correct. I see them more as carefully and precisely matched to a certain ratio.
Regards
Lman

Please don't misunderstand this or take it personally but, it's painfully clear to me that you have no idea what JB has said and done. The coils, at least in one embodiment of the Ferris wheel are indeed "impedance mis-balanced" (his words) in other words, impedance mismatched. EFTV 28, beginning at 27:00 - 33:20, listen carefully. I have pointed people to this video, to these exact quotes before, but no one is listening. He say that the extra coil was added after they found that the magnets were too close, the coil was added as a "tuning mechanism" to get th device to run. Following this ErikN speaks, when he finishes, JB comes back and says "but we added the second coil to get the energy out of the machine.....!!" My jaw dropped....He just said not 3 minutes prior that the coil was for "tuning", and now its the mechanism for getting the energy out!! After he changed to getting the energy out, you never here him talk about using the coil for tuning for running again...LOL....I have done my homework, I know what he said, I have accomplished the same effect, I am not here to waste your time nor mine. Please check your sources before you tell me that you think I am incorrect. I brought you info straight from the horses mouth.


Regards

[Radiantnrg]

Hi Erfinder
Why do you let all speculate what you have?How many letters would you like to write till you show us what you want to show.

Forelle
The game will stop when people see what it is and stop asking him questions or responding to him. He only responds to others comments to him and never offers info on his own. His standard reply written in different ways and veiled in double talk is this'
1. Everyone is too stupid to see what I see. 2. I am god and the only one who will ever see it. 3. I am the only one who has a good machine. 4. The only way to see what I see is to buy a kit from me. 5. the double talk cover up is this - I would rather people see it on their own and not buy a kit (that's a lie) because he already stated we will never see it unless we buy his kit from him. It's all just a big psychological sales ploy. We need to go to each other now for help and not him. I am going to open source everything we discover. Our research is going to start tomorrow and we hope to be able start answering freely all the questions people have been asking here and he refuses to answer.

This is not a message to erfinder and do not want any kind of reply from him.

[Lman]

I have studied the patents....and have reviewed most of the information found on these forums coming out of the research of others. The question that I ask that I don't see being asked is: if the effect of self induction is such a bad thing as Tesla himself has in many cases led us to believe, then why in the hell is he adding choking coils, increasing the self induction of the circuit? We don't have to guess here, he tells us why he adds these coils, the relation between self induction and capacity is more fundamental then impedance matching which is what resonance is. Where we see two fields, I feel he saw one, the math supports this, but more important than the math, the observed phenomena support support the idea of one field.


Regards

Well, I have read some of the Patents although not studied them thoroughly as you and I do not know why the self-induction would be a bad thing since he relied heavily on it after abandoned AC. In this patent he relates to "electric apparatus or systems in which alternating currents are employed". And saying "in many cases" raises the question which are the other cases when the self-induction is not disadvantage. There is nothing in the patent about disruptive discharges but he relates to high frequencies and the relation of the coil and its capacitance. He "complains" about capacitors and finds his way to avoid them. So probably he was using the chokes to tune things.
And in Colorado Springs he had coils tuned to 1/2 and 1/4 the wave of the big one if I am not mistaken.

By the way, every time I see you mentioning the coils in the Ferris Wheel as impedance mismatched something is telling me that it is not correct. I see them more as carefully and precisely matched to a certain ratio.

Regards
Lman

[erfinder]

Nobody wants to learn how to think. Everybody prefer to be told.

forelle,

He has said many things and if you go back through his posts and take the key phrases or words out you will start connecting the dots.
I admit some of my brain cells died trying to figure out what erfinder want us to see and teach us, but there are newborn fresh cells after reading his posts again, on this thread on the Windpower thread and on the energetic forum as well.
He has mentioned that he has seen some coil connection in the Ferris Wheel, he is talking about impedance of the coils, what has been induced, Lentz's law and when it does not apply, reactor, reactive power, he is telling you 555 timer. So many hints. Read again please. And not only here.

erfinder, you have got to be patient with all this It is advanced stuff. You knew it and even said that it would not be easy.

Regards
Lman

I agree folks do want to be told, and this, in my opinion is one of the reasons why we haven't had any breakthroughs on platforms like these, from the grass roots. The authorities will always present us with new (new to us, old to them) findings, which for a time, have the ability to preoccupy us when the new info is hot off the press. When the dust finally settles and we realize that we are severely limited as to what we can do with whats being provided, we return to our wheel, and continue in that circle that never ends. We are all too busy repeating, and spending little or no time investigating. I figured sharing was going to be difficult, but I didn't realize that these simple concepts would be resisted to the degree in which they are being resisted. Fortunately, playing with these machines, has enabled me to put myself in the position of the force which has the ability to overcome all impedance. The resistance I experience here only makes me stronger. I will not give up on any of you, but cannot carry any of you. It is up to you to comprehend the significance of what is being shared, I am positive that in time, you all will come to see the basics, one way or the other. The more complex (albeit layman) cannot be discussed till the basics are comprehended and mastered.

Recently on the forum, the question regarding the nature of an inductor was raised, and you are being directed to look at an inductor using the textbook as guide. You are being asked this as if you don't already know how and inductor works and which laws govern actions taking place inside them. Instead of asking you what the majority of you already know, and sending you to review information you are already versed in, why not ask you if you can determine how to make a coil behave as if it "not" an inductor? This isn't something that will be found in the text books with ease....This is what I have been trying to get you to see, with my references to what I see taking place between the turns. The textbook shows us whats happening between the turns in one example only.....In a recent post, I attached a link to a coil where this between the turn relation is clear to see. What makes an inductance an inductance in the layman sense? Is it possible that the between the turns relations sheds light on this? How does an inductance look when its not functioning as an inductance? I find it fascinating how the relation between the turn is mirrored to that relation found between the rotor and shorted coil on the magnets approach, don't you? As above... (between the turns, so below... (between rotor magnet and coil). Questions like these cause us to scratch our heads, questions like these aren't being asked, why?

On the other forum, in the old Ferris Wheel thread, I made a statement in response to another "researcher" regarding charging the coil in low inductance and discharging it in high inductance, this can been seen as controlled parameter variation. My experience in this area was shared with a like minded individual on that forum, in that thread, and this person got JB to respond to my statement. JB agreed that what I had found was what I should be doing and should continue. A few posts later the same concept was reintroduced to the group in the language of mainstream, by one versed in mainstream. Your attention is being directed to that individuals post on the Ferris Wheel thread on this forum. The point is one not versed in mainstream (me), came to the exact same conclusion as one versed in mainstream. We should try to bridge the gap between mainstream and whatever it is that we call our brand of thinking, instead of forcing the divide.

The bench helps us gain insight into our ideas, after receiving and digesting JB's positive comment, I experimented with the configuration further and realized that the concept has a problem in rotor based systems. The problem was that one doesn't take into account that the inductance of the coil is already changing as the magnets in the rotor are approaching or receding away from the coil. This has a dramatic effect on how far you will be allowed to "force" a change. Why am I telling you this? I am telling you because many of you are contemplating this, charging in low and discharging in high. What you must see is your motor itself is operating in these two modes already, you must learn to recognize when. I clearly show the two in my demonstrations. JB shows switches his machine at the zero crossing....this is clearly seen in the video. I switch at the point of maximum induced potential. To many it would seem that we are at odds till you realize that I showed you two modes. What you must see is I too want to switch at the zero crossing, but I do not want to sacrifice what I find at the point of maximum induced potential, namely the torque, and potential! In a motor of conventional design (which is what this is all about folks, real motors not models...) torque is max at the point of maximum induced potential, in my system, I establish the conditions whereby the machine itself governs the manifestation of a phase shift which enables me to switch at the point of maximum induced potential, and draw current as if I am switching at the zero crossing. I am saying more here because I can, the method is mine. I want it clearly understood that Erfinder is no fraud, this is no joke, I consider myself a serious researcher, and consider those who read these rants serious researchers. If I were to throw everything on the table, it would be in the form of a huge mess that no one would get anything out of. I said in the beginning of this, consider the information, this means, try to put yourself in my position, see what I see. When you see what I see, then you can do whatever you want. I'm not asking you to replicate, because I don't need you to replicate, nor do I want you to replicate, I want you to see exactly what I want you to see!

There is method to this, you cannot see I want you to see doing things your way.....but the beauty in this is that you can try.


Regards

[erfinder]

Tesla patent #512,340 talks about the relation between self-induction and capacitance.

In post #26 HERE there is a very good picture explaining it.

Lman

I have studied the patents....and have reviewed most of the information found on these forums coming out of the research of others. The question that I ask that I don't see being asked is: if the effect of self induction is such a bad thing as Tesla himself has in many cases led us to believe, then why in the hell is he adding choking coils, increasing the self induction of the circuit? We don't have to guess here, he tells us why he adds these coils, the relation between self induction and capacity is more fundamental then impedance matching which is what resonance is. Where we see two fields, I feel he saw one, the math supports this, but more important than the math, the observed phenomena support support the idea of one field.


Regards

[Lman]

There is a special relation between self induction and capacitance which is not being considered, but was suggested by Tesla. Make that connection! Why do we limit capacitance and inductance to the material, when we know they change with respect to time.

Regards

Tesla patent #512,340 talks about the relation between self-induction and capacitance.

In post #26 HERE there is a very good picture explaining it.

Lman

[Lman]

Nobody wants to learn how to think. Everybody prefer to be told.

forelle,

He has said many things and if you go back through his posts and take the key phrases or words out you will start connecting the dots.
I admit some of my brain cells died trying to figure out what erfinder want us to see and teach us, but there are newborn fresh cells after reading his posts again, on this thread on the Windpower thread and on the energetic forum as well.
He has mentioned that he has seen some coil connection in the Ferris Wheel, he is talking about impedance of the coils, what has been induced, Lentz's law and when it does not apply, reactor, reactive power, he is telling you 555 timer. So many hints. Read again please. And not only here.

erfinder, you have got to be patient with all this It is advanced stuff. You knew it and even said that it would not be easy.

Regards
Lman

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder
Why do you let all speculate what you have?How many letters would you like to write till you show us what you want to show.

I will write as much as I must. I am not forcing anyone to speculate, I am telling you exactly what I think is going on, and asking you to simply consider the information. I have shown what I want to show, its sad that only a handful see the potential in what has been demonstrated, and have taken the necessary measures to deepen their understanding. These individuals have foresight, they can appreciate that what follows is a possible game changer. From the beginning they understood that there is more to what I am suggesting than the simple effects that I am bringing to your attention.


Regards