Dissecting Erfinder’s comments

[Kiril_Kirilov]

Seems like erfinder's access has been cut. That's the reason why you, guys can not receive answers.

I think Tom C should explain the act, instead of quietly cutting the access to one of the most important threads IMHO in this forum, after the other one where his sharing were posted, died???

I believe all you guys, interested in the matter could demand access restoration and transparent explanations.

Regards,
Kiril

[aln]

To all:
My intent in this thread was stated in my first post, but to clarify I would like to disect Erfinder's comments as related to the effect he has found and the science of it as well as related sciences. I care not for the dialogue of ego's or delivery of message. Who cares about that stuff if we can all get that effect! So as was stated let us get to work.

Erfinder,
I am happy that you are still around and I have seen all your pictures and video's from the last year. My intent as stated in the first post of this thread continues to be played out and I am glad you are still around to spark discussion; to prod us to ponder, and chanllenge us as well.

I do have a request of you for the sake of those interested in your effects and how you came to your conclusions. With no expectations of you as I am a nobody really, with no pull with anyone on this forum, I respectfully ask you not to get into a wrestling match with Tom C. on this forum as you will lose, and then we will lose your insight here. I am intently researching suggestions made by you, in combination with comments made by J.B. and those endorsed by the administers of this forum. I have nothing worth sharing...yet... but, I need to get a scope (and learn how to use it) soon to run some tests.


Edit: looks like I may have been too late

Tom C,

So now an email address constitutes a violation......you guys are loosing it! You really got to explain how an email address violates rules or requests of the forum owner.

erfinder@forgotten-genius.com

[Tom C]

Kiril,


I have done nothing to block erfinder and his ability to access the forum. if he has had contact with the forum owner or administrator I am not aware of it. he is probably having lunch somewhere with his family.

now with that said, Kiril are you a donating member of this forum? do you give of your time effort energy and money to keep it running? yes? no? before making demands and accusations please be so kind as to get all your info straight. He and I do not see eye to eye on a few things, that is clear. but if he was banned for some reason by myself I would be the first to explain why it was done and the mitigating circumstances behind it.

He can post to his hearts content... I did not and have not prevented him from accessing the forum.

Tom C

[Tom C]

so to everyone, I want to make it clear that I have nothing personal against Steve, and it is not my intention to see harm done to him or his research. you guys enjoy yourself. I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot.

John's wish has always been that you figure it out and share, it keeps him (john) alive and his family safe. I know you think that is a strange comment but I have seen the guys that have threatened him up close and personal just a couple of years ago, so I know it is real.

so until he (Erfinder) decides to make full disclosure you will have this thread. get the Ferris Wheel DVD and the Behind the scenes, it will take most if not all the way to what you are looking for.

Tom C

[Kiril_Kirilov]

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stop violating forum rules and the requests of the forum owner.

Tom C

Thank you for the fast response and stating own position Tom, but having in mind excerpt from post #73, quoted above, I doubt you are not aware of the reasons if forum owner banned him, as already you've deleted his e-mail address once, referring to forum owner's requests.

Kindest regards,
Kiril

[aln]

...after the other one where his sharing were posted, died???...

Regards,
Kiril

Kiril,
I believe Erfinder was deleating his own comments, as he felt a lack of understanding and interest from the rest of us. What Tom just posted validates what Erfinder has been doing for me.

"I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot." -Tom

Let us figure this out and implement it, it is not out of our reach. Aln

[Kiril_Kirilov]

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Let us figure this out and implement it, it is not out of our reach. Aln

Agree, Aln. And one sure path is to start building and researching the concept. I did it this way and received enormous support. With lot of struggling finally achieved two of the most basic effects:
(the quote below is from the died one thread, post #277: http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...sign+windpower)

Hi All,
here is my last setup report:

Finally I got the effect of charging the Buffer CAP over the voltage of the Power supply

Thank you, erfinder!

The Power Supply I'm using is composed of 3 different PSU modules (30+50+60 Volts) as i don't have such high voltage supply, compared to the erfinder's one.

For the switching I use Continuos Switching Hall Detector -> Monostable Vibrator with 555 to form PWM pulses with desired length -> 650V Mosfet Switch - > Coils - My Own construction, based only on general statements in the thread above.

Having in mind mentioned above, the most important thing i understood so far is not the schematic or PSU, but Geometry and Switching Point (magnet to coil disposal).

If building of test rig is too complicated or too time consuming, ask him directly for support and kit.

Kindest regards,
Kiril

[erfinder]

so to everyone, I want to make it clear that I have nothing personal against Steve, and it is not my intention to see harm done to him or his research. you guys enjoy yourself. I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot.

John's wish has always been that you figure it out and share, it keeps him (john) alive and his family safe. I know you think that is a strange comment but I have seen the guys that have threatened him up close and personal just a couple of years ago, so I know it is real.

so until he (Erfinder) decides to make full disclosure you will have this thread. get the Ferris Wheel DVD and the Behind the scenes, it will take most if not all the way to what you are looking for.

Tom C

Someone blocked me, been trying to access all day....had the day off...so....no...Erfinder was not at lunch Tom......not sure who blocked me....but it doesn't matter.

I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot.

In the words of Morpheus....."show me!"

I showed you a video, same video I showed everyone else. You therefore know what everyone else knows. If you figured out the reactor, I doubt you have, but give you the benefit of the doubt and will I tip my hat when you prove it. You honor my wish and not divulge????? Crazy talk! Stop talking and show them what you think you have Tom. You may be able to produce the effect, Kiril proved that its not rocket science! I told you all where to switch, why to switch where you switch, when to change the timing, why change the timing....all of it.....so yeah...you know but have yet to demonstrate that you know. The only thing this has to do with JB is the one of the modes of operation utilizes the winding connection method that was mentioned in the video I recommended folks watch. This was me honoring JB, the winding method didn't originate with JB, its common sense when you think about it......all windings are wound in the same direction, if you want alternating polarity, you must connect the coils in anti-series.....what's not common knowledge is how this "connection" influences the induced. As I have stated time and time again, the circuit doesn't matter. That being said, my circuit has nothing to do with JB's circuits.

In the end you don't know how I do what I do, nor do you know what I want to do with what I can do. But you can and should continue to believe that you have me, my methods and motivations figured out Tom.

Can't wait to see what you have.....

[erfinder]

erfinder, I was about to get the 2 recommended books on this site and then found this thread. Thanks much aln for starting it! I think you are onto many valuable out of the box concepts. This could get very politically incorrect but I am going risk asking you any way as I am the same type of thinker as you are. From your perspective and all you have learned what do you recommend for beginners to do in relation to "bedini type" devices? Where do we start research and building? Do we get the recommended books or look elsewhere? Do you have videos posted any where or can you recommend sites and or channels you like? PM me if this is too controversial. Thanks Alan

Hello Alan,

I do not stand between them and folks who want to support them by purchasing their materials, I wholeheartedly recommend many of the works they offer. They do not appreciate it when I mention my kit, but don't seem to have a problem with me advertising through reference, their books, patents and videos....I get no kick back for that....

Start by recognizing that you are smart! Accept that you can know what the authorities know, through your own efforts. If you choose to build the SG, build two. Build the first as you are instructed, and the second like your intuition instructs you to build it. It cannot be demanded of you to build something to a certain standard, if, the person making such a request isn't willing to explain why you should. Those reasons we are being provided do not qualify, they do not get you to the heart of the matter. The reason for doing what we are told should give insight into what the device is and how and why it does what it does. Here you will be confronted with the basic rebuttal of why, you should do what you are told, it always ends with if you don't do what you are told to do, your results will not be what the inventor says you should have. Here you just have to trust yourself, your common sense, your intuition. Always have in the back of your mind that we were never told what the point of the drama is! Never told what this device really is. At one point we were told that the SG is the perfected version of the Watson machine! IF thats true, going from the available information, the basic SG is a red herring, and the GT3 is the version we are to be looking at.

Keep in mind at one point in time it was a secret to operate the device in attraction mode. Now its common knowledge, but we still find folks who prefer to operate in repulsion mode?! The fundamental difference was never really discussed. The advantage of one mode over the other, never explained in detail, and the super pole configuration just didn't make any sense. While investigating the two modes of operation, it became clear that we should be looking at both modes from the perspective of the generator action. That's the lesson. Here for reasons that I shouldn't have to get into, attraction mode is superior to repulsion mode.

Although attraction mode is superior to repulsion mode, the separation of the two isn't what we ultimately want, we want both modes. We want to use both sides of the magnet, and here I'm not so much talking about the poles, in this particular instance, I am talking about the corner spins of the magnet. The north pole of the magnet contains multiple orders of spin, however, only two are of immediate interest. Flux leaves the north pole in a left handed spiral, and a right handed spiral. Flux leaves the south pole in a left handed spiral and a right handed spiral. H. Johnson shows you this in his work, we were re-introduced to his work by JB. It's my opinion that H. Johnson's work applies to JB's work. JB suppresses one of the corner spins in a manner similar to how H. Johnson did, turning the SG into a kind of magnetic gate, when operated in attraction mode. Had I been preoccupied with doing what I am told, this connection would not have been made! After studying this for a while, when you start looking at the other technologies, specifically the window and zero force typologies, it becomes clear that once again we are dealing with rotor to coil corner spin interactions. At this point it hits you, how is this any different from what we already experience in conventional designs which have been with us for over the last 100 years. The answer shocked me, fundamentally there is no difference!

I was asked about the three coil positions yesterday, and as I was short on time and didn't get to finish saying what I wanted to say. Namely, the three coils to three magnets of the same polarity as presented in the GT3 is superseded by the use of a super pole configuration which is for all intents and purposes the exact same thing, just reduced to single coil interaction instead of two coil. These folks are clever in the extreme, but are very tight lipped about what they are doing. We are not honoring them by doing what we are told, you must look at the work! See it and through it, see them, they have years invested in this. They may not like me but I am a fan! Truly, I only wish they were more open.

Study the information they provide you with, it has value. Where you start depends on the questions you have that you want answered. Don't stagnate, compare all, and unite all, they have done an excellent job of assembling this huge wealth of information into a mosaic. From our present perspective we get to know all of the parts, but from our position cannot see how the parts relate one to another, it's at this point were we must view the information from a higher vantage point, to see how the parts form a whole, that's where your common sense and intuition come in. So to answer your question, study all they provide, but be guided by your intuition and common sense when doing so, if the latter two are not in the equation, you will become lost in the labyrinth of information that they have built around themselves.

Hope that answers your question....


Regards

[erfinder]

Kiril,
I believe Erfinder was deleating his own comments, as he felt a lack of understanding and interest from the rest of us. What Tom just posted validates what Erfinder has been doing for me.

"I KNOW HOW HE DOES WHAT HE DOES and He (steve) has chosen not to tell you as he wants you to think for yourself. like he said leave the building to me.... I have honored his wishes and not divulged his methodology and how he is driving his machine, mainly because it is done the same way as some of John Bedini's machines and I cannot." -Tom

Let us figure this out and implement it, it is not out of our reach. Aln

Uh....no my posts were modified, not by me, by Tom C.....I saw the change and edited it again. Regarding Tom's comment about knowing what I am doing....he knows no more than you.


Regards

[erfinder]

To all:
My intent in this thread was stated in my first post, but to clarify I would like to disect Erfinder's comments as related to the effect he has found and the science of it as well as related sciences. I care not for the dialogue of ego's or delivery of message. Who cares about that stuff if we can all get that effect! So as was stated let us get to work.

Erfinder,
I am happy that you are still around and I have seen all your pictures and video's from the last year. My intent as stated in the first post of this thread continues to be played out and I am glad you are still around to spark discussion; to prod us to ponder, and chanllenge us as well.

I do have a request of you for the sake of those interested in your effects and how you came to your conclusions. With no expectations of you as I am a nobody really, with no pull with anyone on this forum, I respectfully ask you not to get into a wrestling match with Tom C. on this forum as you will lose, and then we will lose your insight here. I am intently researching suggestions made by you, in combination with comments made by J.B. and those endorsed by the administers of this forum. I have nothing worth sharing...yet... but, I need to get a scope (and learn how to use it) soon to run some tests.


Edit: looks like I may have been too late

I am glad you started this thread. You cannot have the info without the ego.....why ego is seen as a bad thing is beyond me...The work...what is the work? What am I trying to do? What do I have? What have I demonstrated? How does it differ from what's already been demonstrated? There are a few souls here who don't agree with me, its OK. I have no beef with anyone. I will not accept being told to do as I am told when it comes to researching, and don't recommend that folks just do as they are told. The impulse giver didn't do as he was told? Think about that! I will defend you and any other from those who tell us to not think for ourselves, if that means a wrestling match so be it. I desire progress, this is a platform for expressing ones opinion, and sharing ones ideas in a civil manner, it is also about independence, I thought it was anyway. We are all here because dogma drove us here, whose dogma? From my perspective, it seems we are becoming skilled at dropping a given dogma and picking up someone else's!? Who is checking the info?

Awesome thread!


Regards

[Lman]

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John's wish has always been that you figure it out and share, it keeps him (john) alive and his family safe. I know you think that is a strange comment but I have seen the guys that have threatened him up close and personal just a couple of years ago, so I know it is real.

Tom C,

Your post confirms what I was thinking since a long time and at the same time makes me sad. It is kind of intuitive to get to realize all this seeing how the man shares everything with us.

A little off-topic :
Few months ago a scientist in the country of the rising sun made a breaktrough in stem cell research. She would literally take a damaged cell from an adult body, treat it and repair it so when returned to the body it starts to copy itself and rejuvenates the body. Hope you realize what that means. Two weeks after that she was accused that this was a lie. And now ... it was announced that she has been found dead. Was it a lie or ... some people interfered ?
End of off-topic

If that caught the attention of somebody please just think about it and do not respond here.
May be it is a good idea to have a section in the forum for various topics like that.

Guys, we live in a dark times. The world is getting uglier day by day. What we thought yesterday was a miracle or impossible, today is a fact but many things are hidden from the society.
The only way that we prevail is to share, care for each other and help.


Lman

[erfinder]

erfinder,
Could you elaborate on what you meant by pulsed AC ??? As far as I understand Mag Amps, you control DC which in turn saturates the core, which controls the flow of the AC. But Pulsed AC ?!? You mean something like amplitude modulated ??

Thanks
Lman

Your motor is generating AC. You are superimposing a DC signal onto....into.... that AC signal, generally at the peak of the induced. In the absence of a power supply, your motor is an experiment in coil shorting, short circuiting the coil at the peak of the induced wave.


Regards

[OrthoParameter]

erfinder, I was about to get the 2 recommended books on this site and then found this thread. Thanks much aln for starting it! I think you are onto many valuable out of the box concepts. This could get very politically incorrect but I am going risk asking you any way as I am the same type of thinker as you are. From your perspective and all you have learned what do you recommend for beginners to do in relation to "bedini type" devices? Where do we start research and building? Do we get the recommended books or look elsewhere? Do you have videos posted any where or can you recommend sites and or channels you like? PM me if this is too controversial. Thanks Alan

Alan,
I do not speak for Erfinder but I know he would never try to steer you from the information available on this site. His inspiration is directly derived from John Bedini's work as well as his hero and mine.... Tesla. He has spent thousands of dollars buying their books and DVD's. He has spent ten years learning what he now knows.

I started talking to Steve on Skype almost two years ago. At that time, I had just put all my free money into a chicken coop, a raised bed garden, and a shed. I was so impressed by his knowledge, his humor, and candid nature (not to mention his work) that I offered to GIVE him $500 cash with no expectation of receiving anything in return. He REFUSED my offer and said that he would rather wait until I had enough money to get his kit so that I could fully share the information he wanted to impart. That is how unselfish and wise this man is.

I did exactly as he wished and today, just today, I received my much anticipated package from Germany. It is a beautiful piece of workmanship.

Steve is one of the nicest and most intelligent people you could ever hope to meet in one lifetime. Outside of my wife, I consider him to be my very best friend. My wife and I are in the planning stages right now for trip to Germany next year after Oktoberfest to meet him and his wife in person.

If you wish to know me and what I am doing, send a pm, I am not good at inspiring others to greatness and I wish to return to the woodwork and return this thread to the OP.

[bigmotherwhale]

Nice work Krill! you can really see the magnetic amplifier in effect on the scope.. good build too, i take it your using neo magnets? do you find the flatter coils work better with the neos because of there Field shape?