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    I apologize if this is not the correct place for this thread but as i am thinking about it to eventually design an energy machine i put it here. I have read many papers on strong forces and weak forces and gravity. scientist say that gravity is the weakest and that some other kind of "strong force" is what holds together atoms. For a long time i have viewed atoms as microscopic solar systems or entire universes (wich if i believe we could see the whole universe as one thing i think it would look like a spiralling galaxy or solar system). If you think of a figure skater when they pull their arms in they spin faster. well pull them in to the size of an atom and they would be spinning faster then we would ever be able to see. So i think that the solar systems "atoms" actually go through time faster than us because of the way einstien says if you get close to the speed of light it would feel like 5 minutes to you but the normal speed people would see you as if you were going slow for a very long time. so i think atoms work on a different scale "obviously" and i believe that the entire lifespan of each atom is flying out into planets that fly apart eventually disentigrating the whole thing wich leaves a negative where the center was "sun becomes black hole" then vice versa and this i believe is where our speed of light comes from, our light is the energy we see at each pulsation (walter russell way of thinking) ...Now to that strong weak force....they say gravity is weak, but if you compress all the gravity expressed in the entire existence of our solar system into something that is happening at our speed of light would that not account for the atoms force being "stronger"? Just a random thought i have had buzzing around my head and i have more to add but i have something to go do. any thoughts about this would be greatly appreciated.

    if this is true this could explain many things....1 the LHC keeps finding smaller and smaller particles in what used to be "the smallest particle possible protons and neutrons and electrons....well keep smashing solar systems together and get better equipment to see smaller things and you will definately see smaller particles. but because every particle they see is actuall the entire lifespan of a part of the solar system they can't explain how they do things like quantum physics 2 places at once deal. maybe it goes from one place to another so fast we think its in both.

    And i have also heard of proofs that there is as much mass in one atom as there is in the whole universe....well that sounds like what i am saying.
    another apology for the massive run on sentence A-D-D cant keep up with my typing fingers.
    Last edited by Bradley Malone; 10-05-2014, 08:05 PM.

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    Originally posted by Bradley Malone View Post
    I apologize if this is not the correct place for this thread but as i am thinking about it to eventually design an energy machine i put it here. I have read many papers on strong forces and weak forces and gravity. scientist say that gravity is the weakest and that some other kind of "strong force" is what holds together atoms. For a long time i have viewed atoms as microscopic solar systems or entire universes (wich if i believe we could see the whole universe as one thing i think it would look like a spiralling galaxy or solar system). If you think of a figure skater when they pull their arms in they spin faster. well pull them in to the size of an atom and they would be spinning faster then we would ever be able to see. So i think that the solar systems "atoms" actually go through time faster than us because of the way einstien says if you get close to the speed of light it would feel like 5 minutes to you but the normal speed people would see you as if you were going slow for a very long time. so i think atoms work on a different scale "obviously" and i believe that the entire lifespan of each atom is flying out into planets that fly apart eventually disentigrating the whole thing wich leaves a negative where the center was "sun becomes black hole" then vice versa and this i believe is where our speed of light comes from, our light is the energy we see at each pulsation (walter russell way of thinking) ...Now to that strong weak force....they say gravity is weak, but if you compress all the gravity expressed in the entire existence of our solar system into something that is happening at our speed of light would that not account for the atoms force being "stronger"? Just a random thought i have had buzzing around my head and i have more to add but i have something to go do. any thoughts about this would be greatly appreciated.

    if this is true this could explain many things....1 the LHC keeps finding smaller and smaller particles in what used to be "the smallest particle possible protons and neutrons and electrons....well keep smashing solar systems together and get better equipment to see smaller things and you will definately see smaller particles. but because every particle they see is actuall the entire lifespan of a part of the solar system they can't explain how they do things like quantum physics 2 places at once deal. maybe it goes from one place to another so fast we think its in both.

    And i have also heard of proofs that there is as much mass in one atom as there is in the whole universe....well that sounds like what i am saying.
    another apology for the massive run on sentence A-D-D cant keep up with my typing fingers.
    Your last view on the Mass of an atom makes absolute sense....it speaks about the structure of the Universe/ Multiverse.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    'Wisdom comes from living out of the knowledge.'

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    • #3
      It has been rolling around my head for a while and i never found a problem with the idea. Everything we see around us is a fractal in some way. the golden ratio ...the way flower petals grow ...you can find a fractal in dang near anything. so why couldn't existence be a fractal. that would allow us to be an infinite universe by folding the universe back onto itself. if everything is inside of everything else....there is the ONE conection science has been trying to find that links all the complexity...even the fringe science like telepathy and influencing devices with you will power. if you thinkg about everything being inside of everything else ...maybe there is another form of you inside the machine and when this you desires to change the machine we influence the other form of us causing a small change toward our desire. the influence has been shown with the double slit experiment and others just not the muliverse reasoning behind it as a possible explanation.

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      • #4
        a little off topic but a neat fact unlike a solar system where you move out in the plane of rotation the mass/planets move slower but in a galaxy

        study of galaxy rotation and discovered the rotation rate does not fall off with distance from the center. It stays constant (see the white curve in the image above). This implied more mass, much more, must extend beyond the visible realm of a spiral galaxy and make the stars at the edge of the galaxy rotate faster than expected. - See more at: http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8774/....a5r21rOd.dpuf
        http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8774/...ng-galaxies-2/

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        • #5
          walter russell explained the speed up like this....when the planets or stars are close to the center "sun or galactic bulge" the north and south poles are vertical think of a ball on a string....if you spin around swinging the ball in a circle around you when the axis is tilted slightly away the ball will spin as it rotates. Same with planets but with the ball it rubs the ground as it spins around causing it to rotate with planets it is the friction of space that is higher pressure at the equator of a spinning galaxy. As the planets or stars get further away they tilt further and further untill they are horizontaly rotating. if you lay the ball down and use one string on the bottom when you spin it around it will rotate much faster then before. Russell say this is how the disentigration of things happens...they lay down further and further intill the are caused to spin so fast the slowly fly apart into space that can be compressed again to rebuild planets...its a continuous cycle.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the post Bradley, Guy, two things 1) electric universe people I think say there are electromagnetic forces acting over stellar distances, I dunno 2) As is sort of my motif at the moment I will say we don't understand the wheel. There is a kid's game "Battle Tops" where four spinning tops are spun up and released into the arena where the last one standing wins. When these tops hit each other they knock each other off center, they, of course right themselves or there would be no game. I don't think it is still active and others have done the same but for a while I posted a video of a toy gyro spinning very fast (I used a dremmel tool) started at 30 degrees off center which then precessed around a glass table and righted itself to 180 upright, happens every time and center of mass changes. I got no explanations except to say it is obvious that certain circular + precessional motions have little regard for gravity.

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            • #7
              Most galaxies have rotation curves that show solid body rotation in the very center, following by a slowly rising or constant velocity rotation in the outer parts. Very few galaxies show any evidence for Keplerian decline. A flat rotation curve implies that the mass continues to increase linearly with radius. Therefore, the rotation curves of galaxies present strong evidence for dark matter.http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academi...ion_curves.htm

              Galaxies break http://oneminuteastronomer.com/8626/keplers-laws/-keplers 3ed law

              and things/mass seem to end up in a flat plane of rotation [WHY] why not all mix upas it is at the center of a galaxy
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              IT SEAMS there are some rules to matter that imply that there will be this symmetry [a flat plane of rotation]

              SPIN
              http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...r-galaxy-spin/
              Last edited by guyzzemf; 10-09-2014, 06:56 AM.

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              • #8
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtbOEhVPBck
                Love this video. One of the main things walter russell explained in the past was the WHY you just asked why are there no planets orbiting above and below why are galaxies discs??? the way that i understood it was like this...matter is compressed space that wants to become space again by disentigrating so it can be compressed into mater again. so when space is pulled in at the poles and integrated to make matter mass comes as a side effect mass as we know will have a greater centiripital force further away from the pole....like the equator is. Imagine you could feel outer space going by as if you head was out of a car window....if you stood on the equator your face would be beat by a couple thousand mile an hour wind....but if you were and an ant standing 1 inch away from the north or south rotation axis it would take you a whole earth day to move a couple inches. that is why things fly apart into a flat disc....

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                • #9
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU#t=18

                  the speed is to fast but you can why even a rogue[entering at a oblique angle] planet getting caught in the suns gravitational influence will end up in a rotational helical /orbit

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by guyzzemf View Post
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU#t=18

                    the speed is to fast but you can why even a rogue[entering at a oblique angle] planet getting caught in the suns gravitational influence will end up in a rotational helical /orbit
                    imagine that gold stream behind the sun in that video as being a copper wire with electricity running through it. would the planets not then be analogous to the atoms in the wire they swirl in a corkscrew patter towards positive or negative wichever....can't remember. but its the same idea if every atom is like a galaxy the our electric flow causing a corkscrew would mean our galaxy is an electric galaxy ....electric force going through the middle causes the outer objects to spin around objects like previously stated and when flowing electrically cause a corkscrew patter ...same in galaxies and atoms.

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                    • #11
                      The first modern theory of the atom, Lord Kelvin's "vortex" theory, said that the atom is shaped like a vortex. Do galaxies have spirals because, like atoms, galaxies have the structure of a vortex? And if it's "atoms all the way down," does everything in the universe have the shape of a vortex?
                      http://aregalaxiesatoms.blogspot.com/

                      A few points to be discussed;
                      -If matter is infinite, as it seems to be, then it would stand to reason that it would look something like a fractal, self similar, repeating through infinity.
                      - An atom consists of a dense nucleus at its core, surrounded by a probability cloud of positively charged electron(s), inbetween which is space, vast distances of space. Similarly, a galaxy is believed to consist of a dense nucleus at its core (super massive black hole), surrounded by a cloud of energy emitting stars. Of course, separated by vast distances of space.
                      -Time is relative. I
                      http://www.ted.com/conversations/915...e_an_atom.html

                      this is a good series DONT let the title fool you best to start at vid .1 [he a cold fusion dude]
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ho...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg


                      vid 1
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y356...otation_534388
                      ,2
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvdeSPVLdq8
                      ,3
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzyQuSg5UQ
                      ,4
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBzkY3FHp4A
                      .5
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdc...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg
                      .6
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J_u...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg
                      .7
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ho...9bpVg&index=48
                      .8
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Emr...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg
                      .9
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFK...9bpVg&index=47
                      .10
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8POn...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg
                      ,11
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZl2...9bpVg&index=43
                      the math.12
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahRJ...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg
                      Last edited by guyzzemf; 10-09-2014, 10:15 PM.

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                      • #12
                        13 of 22=23 --?
                        let me explain
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQR...Hfb36ftZk9bpVg



                        http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Rev...Era_in_Physics
                        Last edited by guyzzemf; 10-10-2014, 01:38 AM.

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                        • #13
                          if you are open to vortexes being atoms have you ever read walter russells books....i have read everything i have ever seen that came from him and i believe he has it explained better than anyone. the home study course grabbed my attention for about a year straight and i still flip back through the books almost every few days ....genero-radiative concept (anyone wanting to get the idea of how perpetual motion would work needs to read that book) is one of my favorites. it really kicked me in high gear with understanding it is possible we just have to figure it out.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bradley Malone View Post
                            if you are open to vortexes being atoms have you ever read walter russells books....i have read everything i have ever seen that came from him and i believe he has it explained better than anyone. the home study course grabbed my attention for about a year straight and i still flip back through the books almost every few days ....genero-radiative concept (anyone wanting to get the idea of how perpetual motion would work needs to read that book) is one of my favorites. it really kicked me in high gear with understanding it is possible we just have to figure it out.


                            I get the same kind of Epiphany when I read Stan Meyer's Birth of New Technology... I feel Stan's view of the Atom and the Energy Spectrum that it exhibits is equally startling!
                            and Indeed Atomic Energy can as easily be harnessed as flipping a switch! and safely.. 'Using' Voltage alone....what say?
                            Rgds,
                            Faraday88.
                            'Wisdom comes from living out of the knowledge.'

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                            • #15
                              sounds very interesting. I will definitely look into it. i don't want to get into the religion deal because thats not what this place is for. However i grew up christian but always had questions that no one could ever answer. so as i grew into my own beliefs i adopted a...whatever "god" is i am appreciative. whether it was the suns energy and pure randomness or some divine "thing" it did not matter to me. I decided natures beauty and all the things in my telescope were just to amazing to be all for us. When i read walter russells books he explained a god unlike anything i had ever heard....and it was the exact thing i had already naturaly found my way to, but then came a thousand more details that i could have never imagined. now i believe i understand allot of what he was talking about with the electric waveforms creating matter but its like trying to invent the coffe cup when no one has ever heard of coffee. i get it in my head but just as walter russell says...you have to come to the understanding then work to bring it to life. i understand it but even trying to describe it or make it into a machine is the work part that is surprisingly hard ....like trying to describe to an african tribe what a stop sign means....its so simple inside you but trying to get it into something other people can understand is the hard part.

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