Permanent Magnet Motor

[ThankyouBedini]

Neo magnets can be shaped with a beltsander and lots of time!

[AlvaroHN]

Hi Tom tnx for the reply, I am the same Alvaro from Yahoo monopole2

I have read the radus boots, and watched a couple of videos from people showing the theory working, but I have never tryed a motor with the concept, but the output would be much larger than the input (energy needed to flip the magnets) right....

A very long time ago a saw some pdfs about creative science that looked full of crap actually, but there was some patent very similar to radus concept, modifing magnet poles with coils wound on the magnets, I think that was under "flyn something"

best,

happy to see this new forum, what happend to yahoo groups?

[Tom C]

Hi guys,

4 years ago I tryed that design also, made a iron ramp very similar to yours, and I used neos too. But in my case it didn't work, it stoped pretty much in the same position that yours.

But in the John Bedini B.A.S.E DRAWING it says "NON LINEAR MAGNET STRUCTURE", (that could mean asymetrical fields in the magnets

How to make asymetrical magnets? well for what I have read, the barium magnets can be "tuned", and it seems that there are some new tech magnets that come asymetrical from factory. And then is the beloved "magnetic shielding" but, im just throwing ideas.

best,

Alvaro Hernandorena

Alvaro,

look for and read the RADUS boot patent and Howard Johnsons work on magnetic gates...
Tom C

[AlvaroHN]

Hi guys,

4 years ago I tryed that design also, made a iron ramp very similar to yours, and I used neos too. But in my case it didn't work, it stoped pretty much in the same position that yours.

But in the John Bedini B.A.S.E DRAWING it says "NON LINEAR MAGNET STRUCTURE", (that could mean asymetrical fields in the magnets)

How to make asymetrical magnets? well for what I have read, the barium magnets can be "tuned", and it seems that there are some new tech magnets that come asymetrical from factory. And then is the beloved "magnetic shielding" but, im just throwing ideas.

best,

Alvaro Hernandorena

[ZeusZcid]

Hi Gary,

Well it looks like you are way on your way to cracking it. I can only imagine that a device like that as most magnetic devices, needs a lost of tuning and balancing and the lot. Have you read any of the work by Howard Johnson?? I am sure a lot of the answers as to how to get the machine to work would be found from his work. I did have one idea that might work or give you something to think about. I though that perhaps the stator arm should be held in one spot when in attraction mode but when the two north poles of the stator and rotor repel a spring should allow the stator to be pushed back a little and then attracted again into position by the next coming magnet. Tho I am sure you have already thought of that.

I do think tho that it is a good idea to make the machine bigger if you do have such powerful magnets. Maybe even try using only two magnets and make the rotor in one instance very light and free running first and then try a free running heavy wheel that acts as a flywheel. Just some thoughts.

I really do hope you get it to run That would totally convince me of everything I have been learning these past few years.

Is there a chance you can upload a video of you running it?? I am a visual person that needs visuals to understand things. Words unless very descriptive mean almost nothing to me. I can take engines and computers and all sorts of things apart in my minds eye and see the various interaction but not when they are just words on a page. So I may be able to help understand the problems you are having if I could see the machine actually running.

Have a good day,

Zeus

[Gary Hammond]

Hi ZeusZcid,

Thanks for the reply.

A) I tried every relative position imaginable between the attractor and rotor. It produced the best results in the position shown in the photo. As the attractor became more parallel to the rotor edge, the rest position would shift the rotor clockwise, with the magnet farther away from the "tipping point".

B) The wheel is aluminum (non magnetic), but the bearing and screws are steel. I'm sure the steel is part of the problem.

C) Being geo magnets, I think the magnetic fields are way too strong for the device. I tried scaling the size of the magnets and geometry as near as I could to the drawing and came up with 1/2" square rotor magnets and 1/2" x 1" stator magnet. The only magnets I could find at the time with these dimensions were neos. And the stator magnet may be too strong in relation to the rotor magnets. Since it's partially shunted by the attactor, I assume it has to be stronger, but I don't know how much stronger?

I may try a plexiglas rotor with stainless steel needle point shaft and brass bearings. I also have since found some SmCo magnets in both 1/2" x 1" and 1/2" x 1/2" by 1/4". I can stack the smaller ones to get 1/2" x 1/2". I will glue the magnets to the rotor and use only stainless or brass fasteners to get rid of all the steel except for the attractor. I also thought about enlarging the total size to help eliminate any interaction between the individual magnets on the rotor. Of course it would then not be to the true scale of the drawing.

This is why I wanted to know if it has actually been built, or is only a drawing based on theory. I really don't know if the relative dimensions in the drawing are actually to scale or not. And I don't know if any more magnets could be used with a larger rotor. It just caught my attention , so I decided to try it based only on the drawing. If it "really works" I think it would make a neat conversation piece to show off in the house!

[ZeusZcid]

Hi Gary,

If you would permit I have a few comments on your design based on what I understand from the original drawing.

A) Your stator is not positioned correctly, remember that it is acting as an attractor for your magnets on your wheel. Once the attraction is at its highest at the nub where the stator north sits it then nudges over and the two north's repel in the direction shown by the arrow.
B) The wheel should be non magnetic as you want the magnetic lines of force to interact with the stator not the rotor components.
C) The magnet strength would indeed have an effect of the function of the whole unit as the strength would dictate the interaction of the stator and the stator magnet itself.

I'm no expert tho just my observations.

Tinker with the stator position and you may notice a few things if you need a jumping of point.

[Gary Hammond]

Question for John Bedini

Did you actually build and run the PM motor shown in your lab notes, or is this just based on theory?

I tried building one scaled to your drawing and was unable to get it to run. Of course I probably didn't use the correct parts and didn't know what the relative magnet strengths should be. I just use neos that looked in prportion to your drawing and threw it together with aluminum base and rotor. All the fasteners are steel, and the ball bearing is steel.

It cogs to the position shown in my photo. If it is spun, it does coast for a short time (with some drag) and then stops in the same position again.

just curious, thanks
Gary Hammond