Plasma Ignition | Plasma Jet Ignition

[heysoundude]

Since propane is heavier than air, I'm not sure I want it collecting in the bucket. It just might prove out the "Big Bang Theory" when and if it ignites.

It would be confirming or disproving a bonding with the water vapour though...
If your guy is running engines on 5% gasoline and 95% water, all you'd need to do for this is to be able to measure the propane:water properly. you can measure how much water gets vapourized per hour; the trick will be to meter out the propane as accurately for a similar ratio. the more I ponder it, the better my bubbler thought seems to appear.

[Faraday88]

Since propane is heavier than air, I'm not sure I want it collecting in the bucket. It just might prove out the "Big Bang Theory" when and if it ignites.

or disprove its original bases!!!
just kidding
Rgds,
Faraday88

[Gary Hammond]

.........Can you replicate the test apparatus in the videos, feeding the propane in as I suggested? I'd wager it would burn completely diffferently, being somewhat more homogenized with the water vapor. I'd wager further that it wouldn't take very much propane at all to get a column of flame at each plasma event (I'd slow the firing rate down to 100rpm or so, as well)...but only if you can do it outdoors. this would be something to see. or maybe you could bubble the propane into the water as it gets fog-ified? Hmmmm...

Since propane is heavier than air, I'm not sure I want it collecting in the bucket. It just might prove out the "Big Bang Theory" when and if it ignites.

[heysoundude]

I think the water vapor causes the fuel molecules to stretch out on its surface, and that makes the hydrocarbons easier to burn. I'm thinking of oil streamers on a driveway after a rain, the rainbowy stuff...
alcohol is entirely different: it's hydrophilic, bonding to the water molecules in the airstream (which might be one reason why they put ethanol in gasoline)

Can you replicate the test apparatus in the videos, feeding the propane in as I suggested? I'd wager it would burn completely diffferently, being somewhat more homogenized with the water vapor. I'd wager further that it wouldn't take very much propane at all to get a column of flame at each plasma event (I'd slow the firing rate down to 100rpm or so, as well)...but only if you can do it outdoors. this would be something to see. or maybe you could bubble the propane into the water as it gets fog-ified? Hmmmm...

[Gary Hammond]

Hi hsd,

I would've added the propane into the fogger via the intake fan, converting the apparatus into a flame thrower...but you probably have a better appreciation for your shop roof than I do

LOL

Actually, I just wanted to see what adding an accelerant to the fog would do in the plasma. The fog totally disappears with the addition of the propane and produces a larger flame than just the propane does by itself. From that I concluded that the fog is combusted and adding energy to the process in the presence of the plasma. With a normal spark discharge, the fog will short out the plug.

If you want to run an engine on mostly fog, you can add a small amount of accelerant (gasoline, alcohol, etc.) to the bucket (with proper treatment) and run the engine on 95% water and 5% fuel. See my post under the "H2 Global Water Fuel" thread here. http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...ll=1#post28211

[heysoundude]

Hi Hellenic Vanagon,



Thanks

I posted a video of my test circuit earlier in this thread that shows the plasma very well. I have the same set up installed in the Bradley. Here's a link to it. http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...ll=1#post28309

I would've added the propane into the fogger via the intake fan, converting the apparatus into a flame thrower...but you probably have a better appreciation for your shop roof than I do

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Hellenic Vanagon,

Very nice VW aircooled engine.

Any image of the plasma arc?

Thanks

I posted a video of my test circuit earlier in this thread that shows the plasma very well. I have the same set up installed in the Bradley. Here's a link to it. http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...ll=1#post28309

[Hellenic Vanagon]

Very nice VW aircooled engine.

Any image of the plasma arc?

[Gary Hammond]

Here's the second video.

[Gary Hammond]

Video 1 of installation

Installation Update,

I just posted a couple of videos on U-tube of my plasma ignition installed and running. Here's the first one.

[heysoundude]

Haven’t got any of my parts I ordered to try anything yet!

I was actually asking Faraday88, I believe; I seem to recall he posted the diagrams...

[RB176]

In the schematic pic, the switch location - wouldn't it be on the -ve leg/side of the primary?

Haven’t got any of my parts I ordered to try anything yet!

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Aaron,

Gary, that's awesome!

Besides the plasma, do you have any HHO or other water type of supplementation?

What is the leanest you can run it without overheating, etc.?

Thanks

I haven't tried any fog supplementation yet. I have a 3500 watt gen set I'll probably try that on first.

I also haven't had a chance to check out how lean I can go, as it still needs a rich mixture to accelerate without hesitation from a standstill. On the open road, at higher speeds, I can lean it out a little more but haven't gone there yet. I'm enjoying the extra power too much!

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi All,



Had the engine out of the Bradley for a while now to access the fuel tank. I needed to add a bottom fuel outlet to the tank, relocate the external fuel pump, hook the normal tank vent back up, block off the vent in the filler cap, remove the low pressure filter ahead of the pump and replace it with a high pressure filter after the pump. I did all this to cure a vapor lock problem it was having in hot weather. That and a fuel spillage problem from the filler cap when the tank was full. (Ruined a paint job.)

Got every thing back together today and installed the plasma ignition as well. Took it for a rest drive this evening and it runs better than ever. Pulls strong all the way to 6000 RPM. Leaned out the mixture slightly, but if I go too far lean it bogs on initial launch at part throttle.

The engine starts very quickly and there is no hint of vapor lock!

Gary, that's awesome!

Besides the plasma, do you have any HHO or other water type of supplementation?

What is the leanest you can run it without overheating, etc.?

[heysoundude]

I don't think waste spark is as difficult to convert to plasma as people think, since the ECU is basically doing what the MSD CDI box was invented to do in the days of distributor cap/rotor anyways. (The cam and crank position sensors are what give ECUs information for spark, and they're probably much more accurate and reliable and less prone to drift out of "tune".)
If the plasma "event" occurs because of the diode between the primary +ve and secondary +ve, and your ignition system has multiple primaries and secondaries, then you'll need multiple diodes placed appropriately (4 in your case, 3 for a v6 and 2 for a 4cyl).
Further, you could need multiple capacitors (or consider voltage multipliers) across those multiple primaries....and for peaking capacitors, you might be able to place them across each pair of secondaries rather than on each plug.