Zero Force Motor Replication Project

[Gary Hammond]

And here is a longer video clip where Paul explains the motor to Aaron. Enjoy!

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Richard,

......................... Yes, an outrunner combined with an inrunner of sorts. Inner and outer rotating magnets or a 350 degree wraparound (around a section direction, not the motor perimeter, leaving 10 degrees of space to support the coils) with one set of stationary coils. How would this effect COP, horsepower per pound, $ per horsepower, etc.? For large motors, would many coils (and magnets), rather than only two, and operated at higher frequency, give better torque at low rpm?

What you just described is very close to Paul Babcock's "External Field Interaction Motor" which is now patented. Here's a short video clip of it running.

[i_ron]

More red line stuff:

Thinking of alternate ways to make the Zero force Motor I came up with this...

I will bite the bullet and show my red neck test setup,

With a single 1/8th by 1 inch neo face on (conventional) I get a pull force of 27 g

With a small piece of steel behind the magnet I get 31 g

However what if instead of only using one side of the coil I utilise both sides of the coil?
(U bracket with two 1/8th x 1" magnets, S S)

Good move as the force triples... I get 111 g's (grams)

I had thought to put a coil on each side of a single rotor but discarded that as doubling the watts. Why not instead double the magnets? A double rotor setup, magnets are cheap, and come pre charged.

Ron

[i_ron]

Hello Yaro,

Thanks for your comments.

This is not my first attempt, I did a model a year ago. I had hoped John would comment but I guess that was not to be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGRBk6lWAf4

Ron

[Yaro1776]

Hello Ron,

Good to see that you are becoming engaged with the ZFM concept. Your experiments are definitely worthwhile in that they clarify the workings of the fields in the static mode. Perhaps you should consider that these fields becoming modified in the dynamic mode and that the magnitude of their respective influences become different also. I assume (I may be wrong) that for classical DC motors the strength of the induced electrical field within the coil diminishes as the RPM increases - so according to "Hoyle" the maximum RPM (no applied load) is reached when the applied force on the rotor from the induced field is equaled to the total of internal friction, windage (air resistance) and BEMF.

But with the ZFM (depending on input voltage, timing parameters, etc) once this point is reached the machine will normally run up to and at this balanced level for several minutes, shorter or longer, when there is a tangible acceleration. This acceleration can appear in steps increasing the RPM about 10 -20%. So apparently all the restraining forces are somehow reduced or the input is increased. Must be the smoke and mirrors...

One can suggest that the true magnetic lines of force now come into play. Another proposed explanation could be that certain resonant points are activated within the machine above a certain firing frequency. Still shooting in the dark with all this, but persistent and careful experimentation will slowly clarify these issues. The interaction of the different fields certainly makes this a very interesting machine.

It is worthwhile to note that while the machine is in this hyper mode, the position of the firing point (energizing the coils) can be moved over a 35-40 degree range with minimal impact on RPM and amperage draw. At slow RPM's this type of adjustment has a dramatic impact on speed and amp draw.

So the Green lines may yet rule - Happy Halloween!
Yaro

[i_ron]

Hi everyone,

Well that experiment might have been politically correct but the bottom line is it is not very strong.

With a balanced arm and a kitchen digital scale I get 14 grams for the green line and 40 grams for the red line. So the red line wins hands down as that 40 grams is for just about the full width of the coil whereas the green line is just for two tiny windows at either end of the coil.

Edit: the secret seems to be the magnet should be as long as the coil... then I get 34 grams

Ron

[i_ron]

Just a quick explanation of what I was attempting to explain in the video...



If you trigger on the RED line then you get one smooth motion from one end coil to the other

If you trigger on the GREEN line then it pulls in and stops at the block wall ... you then change polarity of the coil and it pushes out.

Supposing we put the coil and magnet in parallel?





Ron

[i_ron]

Thanks for the come back. Yes, I see it as a "possible"

If one looks at John's flux patterns... take the one on the left and pretend that is a magnet. It is easy enough to see then that the "green blobs" will inter lace (right word?) exactly, whereas approaching the right coil, face on, only allows a one pole interplay. So, if you are going to use the side of the coil --- use the side of the magnet.

Thing is, it seems a much stronger pull in, push out that my first demo with just single pole.

Ron

[min2oly]

You might have a point there, the reason your setup is "shooting out" from either side and "pulling in" from either side (when power reversed) the reason is because you have your magnet oriented sideways rather than with the magnet polarity facing the coil. if a magnet is facing north toward you, there is a South all around it 360 degrees, the "imaginary south" so if you have a small wheel with magnets in close proximity, the magnetic field will be NSNSNSNS.

That being said, I can't say that I have seen anyone set it up the way you have, kind of forcing the orientation. I like that people are sharing their ideas. This is a must try!

You are onto something in addition, John uses the Bedini/Cole ckt to drive this for a reason. Wish I could articulate why, I just know when I drive it with that ckt my battery is much happier.

John liked to give out hints. A couple I focused on were, "it is a push pull operation for this you need an H bridge" ( my word)

Now all the replications built so far have only been pullers. And two such were singled out as "don't go there" (tinman and lidmotor) why?

All the replications don't need the H bridge unless they run NS configuration.

However if you turn the magnet 90 degrees (to vertical) then it becomes a push pull machine and requires an H bridge.

Check out my video and see if this will fly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=YxTzydJUhxE&feature=youtu.be

Thanks,

Ron

[i_ron]

John liked to give out hints. A couple I focused on were, "it is a push pull operation for this you need an H bridge" ( my word)

Now all the replications built so far have only been pullers. And two such were singled out as "don't go there" (tinman and lidmotor) why?

All the replications don't need the H bridge unless they run NS configuration.

However if you turn the magnet 90 degrees (to vertical) then it becomes a push pull machine and requires an H bridge.

Check out my video and see if this will fly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=YxTzydJUhxE&feature=youtu.be

Thanks,

Ron

[Yaro1776]

Hey James,

Thanks for the demonstration video mating the ZFM with a solar panel. An instructive and fun video, a quick tip of the hat to you. So what happens when the voltage is ramped up? - can't wait for the next episode!

It works...
Yaro

[James McDonald]

Zero Force Motor Running on a 100 Watt Solar Panel

Hi All --

I just wanted to post a quick link to my latest video showing the Zero Force Motor running on Solar Power.
The solar panel is a 100 watt 4 amp solar panel and the peak voltage output in full sun is 22 volts.

Enjoy the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utjk-PT7mFo&feature=youtu.be


-- James McDonald

[Faraday88]

Of course, those two tank circuits will want to be driven at a particular frequency - or octave.

Hi ,

This diagram pertains only about the Monopole Energiser for the Single Battery system, think again those Capacitors could only be representing the state of the coils in that configurations and not as actual lumped physical Capacitors!!
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[wrtner]

James nice video, when the machine turns off it produces high voltage spikes... It reminds me of a generator John Bedini said he experimented with in his 1984 book.

Of course, those two tank circuits will want to be driven at a particular frequency - or octave.

[Dave Wing]

James nice video, when the machine turns off it produces high voltage spikes... It reminds me of a generator John Bedini said he experimented with in his 1984 book.