Zero Force Motor Replication Project

[drew_mi]

Thank you James!

That's what I had interpreted the videos and trials in this forum to infer. I quickly became confused, though, by the mis-information about the ZFM from other sites/users.

-- Drew

[ZPDM]

Hi Richard --

My Zero Force Motor did not have any trouble with the magnets flying off. They were glued on with some special epoxy that has a holding strength up to 15,000 RPM. So far my motor has only reached around 10,000 RPM and that was when it was running at 50 volts on the power input. Building these machines are a learning experience and they do take some money to do them the correct way. I will tell you that none of the ZFM building information has been kept a secret for at least the last full year. It has been posted here in this Forum Thread thanks to Paul (ZPDM) who started this topic here. Over-unity or a COP equal to 1 or greater is really a different way at looking at things on how you can change the way the power that is used into different forms and then find ways to feed the wasted power back into the running the motor or device. The more people we have duplicating these devices the more input we will have on what's the best way to improve upon these devices. This is due to everyone will not do the experiment exactly the same even though the guidelines on building this machine have been set forth in this forum thread and in the 2017 Energy & Technology Conference presentation on the Zero Force Motor.

-- James

Thanks James, this is exactly the sort of effort I had hoped for when starting the thread and it is unfortunate I missed the various replications. Going back to Drew's question, what is this practical for, well what is any of this stuff practical for? Sorry, sorry, I would say the ZFM is conceptually a very close cousin of the window motor, both running off lines of force that aren't supposed to do anything much. A well built window motor is a high torque for input power motor, as is the ZFM. Doing just some super glue masking tape type experiments I saw some strange behaviour with the ZFM, namely a more narrow, lesser inductance coil, ran it more efficiently than a larger coil. I suppose the magnetic fields of the very strong neos end up tripping over each others toes as it were, I don't really understand it. I thought initially the iron block in the center might have been just to make it easy to place the neos precisely but it may have some function of smearing or focusing the neos magnetic fields to run better. I can tell you this, when using identical strong neos if you set them up first as an SSG then second turn them sideways so they are tangential (this is almost the ZFM except instead of flipping the coil you flip the magnets sideways) it runs maybe 50% more efficient. I didn't track the magnitude of the radiant spike in these set ups which would need to be done especially if considering the ssg as a timing device for the radiant. However, considering efficiency of rotation for input power, with strong magnets flipping them sideways shows improvement.
Ciao, talk to you later, Paul

[James McDonald]

Thank you, Aaron, that looks like a must have package which I intend to order.
If I may refer to the ZFM's that I have seen illustrated as inrunners, has anyone attempted an outrunner configuation which may increase torque for a given size motor and also reduce the chance of magnets coming loose?
In reference to Drew's comment, I am frequently dissappointed by the lack of explanations with regard to the intended features of these many different devices that people are presenting particularly COP or at least their opinion on what they believe the COP to be and what they base such numbers on. And with all the work required to build these machines it doesn't seem it would take much more work to add a brake with a lever arm against a bathroom scale (whatever) to determine torque and therefore horsepower output presuming the rpm, being easier to determine, is also known. I don't mind putting considerable effort into replicating devices, but I hate to "re-invent the wheel" by doing work to get some information that is already known. If they wish for such bits of information to be kept propietary it would be nice to say so, so we know some pieces to the puzzle are missing. For example, I built Tom Bearden's MEG some years ago (the core was $150) and it seemed to work but nowhere near COP 1. Then later I read that it wasn't expected to be overunity, not to pick on Tom Bearden in particular, sorry Tom.
I hope we can do better by building on each other's successes and failures as well. Sometimes knowing what doesn't work has considerable value to save others the trouble of not duplicating futile efforts.

Hi Richard --

My Zero Force Motor did not have any trouble with the magnets flying off. They were glued on with some special epoxy that has a holding strength up to 15,000 RPM. So far my motor has only reached around 10,000 RPM and that was when it was running at 50 volts on the power input. Building these machines are a learning experience and they do take some money to do them the correct way. I will tell you that none of the ZFM building information has been kept a secret for at least the last full year. It has been posted here in this Forum Thread thanks to Paul (ZPDM) who started this topic here. Over-unity or a COP equal to 1 or greater is really a different way at looking at things on how you can change the way the power that is used into different forms and then find ways to feed the wasted power back into the running the motor or device. The more people we have duplicating these devices the more input we will have on what's the best way to improve upon these devices. This is due to everyone will not do the experiment exactly the same even though the guidelines on building this machine have been set forth in this forum thread and in the 2017 Energy & Technology Conference presentation on the Zero Force Motor.

-- James

[James McDonald]

Hello to all,

I have read through all the posts (I don't think I missed any, at least) and I still have a really simple question: what is the practical use of the Zero Force motor?

I came to this forum by stumbling across the SSG. I've bought the books and am making plans to build it; but, my ADD kicked in and I've found myself bing-reading these forums (incredible work and God bless those who've shared enough to keep my interest!). For those of us that are just starting into this, it would be helpful to know something practical about the devices JB developed & inspired. If it's just something to do because it's cool & the world says it can't be done, that's fine too.

Thank you,
Drew

Hi Drew --

To answer your question on a practical use of this Zero Force Motor. Our first project which Yaro has set out to do is to run
a water pump. My goal is to run a car alternator to charge batteries while the motor is running on solar cells. This motor once it is
at the high RPM's draws less current then a conventional motor. These are two practical uses of the Zero Force Motor which are
possible. I can tell you that at the 2017 Energy & Technology Conference this presentation on the Zero Force Motor kept everyone
there glue to their seats. I was there in one of those seats and I purchased the presentation information myself because it was such
a good presentation.

-- James

[Aaron Murakami]

Forgive me for the ad, but this is the culmination of Yaro and James' work on this project and Peter's contributions as relating to the Zero Force Motor.

EVOLUTION OF THE ZERO VACUUM ENGINE - A REPLICATION OF JOHN BEDINI'S ZERO FORCE MOTOR by Yaro Stanchak.



This is an exclusive FULL DISCLOSURE to the general public for the first time ever. If you want to know how to perfectly replicate one of John Bedini's most coveted technologies that he never openly shared, then this is the presentation you want to add to your library. Several builders online have shown their attempts at replicating John's ZFM, but unfortunately 100% of them got it wrong!

You will learn the history and genesis of where it came from, how it shaped John Bedini's magnetic model that shows the difference between the electric lines of flux and the TRUE magnetic field, which is somewhat hidden. There are a few anomalous characteristics that Yaro shares from his own experience as well as all details necessary to REPLICATE this motor. This presentation is about 2 hours long.

Zero Force Motor by Yaro Stanchak

[drew_mi]

Hello to all,

I have read through all the posts (I don't think I missed any, at least) and I still have a really simple question: what is the practical use of the Zero Force motor?

I came to this forum by stumbling across the SSG. I've bought the books and am making plans to build it; but, my ADD kicked in and I've found myself bing-reading these forums (incredible work and God bless those who've shared enough to keep my interest!). For those of us that are just starting into this, it would be helpful to know something practical about the devices JB developed & inspired. If it's just something to do because it's cool & the world says it can't be done, that's fine too.

Thank you,
Drew

[James McDonald]

Theory of Operation of the Zero Force Motor Circuit

The Zero Force Motor is comprised of a shaft mounted iron rotor with four Neo magnets mounted 90 degrees apart in a N-S-N-S configuration. Two opposing coils of 90 degree arc, each with ~280-300 ft of #20AWG, are wired in series and surround the rotor. When the power switch is turned on voltage is applied from the Bi-Polar Switching circuit to the Zero Force Motor coil creating a current flow, a magnetic field builds up in the coil just enough to oppose the magnetic field of the rotor magnets thus initiating movement. The coil’s opposing magnetic field rotates the rotor just enough to cause one of the reed switches to close, thus grounding the base of one of the PNP driver BJT transistor, which in turn causes current to flow from the emitter to the collector of that transistor. This current flow in turn drives the base of the NPN output stage BJT transistor. This current flow drives through the coil in one direction for up to 60 to 70 degrees of rotation of the timing wheel which controls the on time of the BJT NPN transistor. At the same time, the reed switch is closed, this drives the base of the output PNP BJT transistor. The BJT PNP transistor turns on and drives the coil in the same direction as the current flow. Once the timing wheel reaches the turn on point of the second reed switch, which is mounted 90 degrees from the first reed switch at 0 degrees, the second BJT transistor set will drive current through the coil in the opposite direction.
The magnetic field in the coil builds up with each rotation of the rotor due to the rotor magnets inducing their magnetic field into the coils of the Zero Force Motor. The coils’ magnetic field in turn causes the rotor to spin faster till it reaches 5 time constants of on-time from the applied electromotive force. The switching of current flow from one side of the coil to the other has a Lenz spike effect of almost double the applied electromotor force.

-- James

[James McDonald]

I posted something here last night after your first post Yaro and now its not here!

Thank you for helping us make history with a very comprehensive disclosure of John's ZFM in a way that made history and I hope it becomes as popular as the SG.

And thank you James for bringing your replication to show that it can indeed be replicated.

3 ZFM's in total that are built right - can't argue with that!

Your presentation is scheduled to be the first one released next Tuesday the 18th.

It will come with the recorded presentation, the powerpoint and a pdf e-book with a compilation of notes from the forum, diagrams, relevant lab notes (showed up a little dark on the projector screen), etc... it will be THE package to have for anyone interested in the ZFM for sure.

The video available will be roughly 1GB in size and will be a MP4 in a zip file like usual. That will be the normal resolution of 1280x720 or so. As time permits, we'll try to upload a higher resolution version that may be 1.5 to 2GB in size also 1280x720 at no extra cost. Just login with the same credentials and download it when it is available on the same download page.

Yaro, I'll be emailing you some stuff to review.

Hi Aaron --

Thank You for the acknowledgement of my Zero Force Motor Build and for letting me bring it to the 2017 Energy & Technology Conference.
The conference was overall a very good conference and it ended with a presentation pack full of information on the Zero Force Motor. This presentation surely kept every one glued to their seats from start to finish. I am looking forward to its release and it's one of the videos I intend on purchasing myself. If you were not present at the 2017 Energy & Technology conference you missed a very good conference. If you intend on building a Zero Force Motor or just want some more information then this presentation is a must have.

-- James

[Aaron Murakami]

I posted something here last night after your first post Yaro and now its not here!

Thank you for helping us make history with a very comprehensive disclosure of John's ZFM in a way that made history and I hope it becomes as popular as the SG.

And thank you James for bringing your replication to show that it can indeed be replicated.

3 ZFM's in total that are built right - can't argue with that!

Your presentation is scheduled to be the first one released next Tuesday the 18th.

It will come with the recorded presentation, the powerpoint and a pdf e-book with a compilation of notes from the forum, diagrams, relevant lab notes (showed up a little dark on the projector screen), etc... it will be THE package to have for anyone interested in the ZFM for sure.

The video available will be roughly 1GB in size and will be a MP4 in a zip file like usual. That will be the normal resolution of 1280x720 or so. As time permits, we'll try to upload a higher resolution version that may be 1.5 to 2GB in size also 1280x720 at no extra cost. Just login with the same credentials and download it when it is available on the same download page.

Yaro, I'll be emailing you some stuff to review.

[Yaro1776]

ZFM Comparison Info

Hello to all,

A further elaboration on the previous ZFM post with a few more specifics.

The PL ZFM from 2002 was demonstrated by Peter using his variable DC voltage power supply. Very slick setup that removes the batteries from the equation, yet allows enough amperage to drive the ZFM up to about 60v. The PL ZFM draws a relatively constant 0.4 amps when it is running at speed. As the speed increases with greater voltage the amp draw remains relatively constant, however the old two finger torque test will increase the amp draw as the RPM drops off. Very impressed with this model's torque, bearing in mind that the shaft diameter is 3/8" in comparison to the 1/2" shaft on the other two ZFM's. I believe that the machine was pushed to over 12,000 RPM before an internal clamping bolt came loose, it was later repaired by Peter. Peter stated that he has had the motor up to 14,500 RPM.

The basic arrangement for this motor is about an 18 degree advance and 60 degree firing dwell or duration as I recall, different from the original 10-15 degree advance and 45-50 degree duration. The Bipolar switch circuit board stayed cool during his demonstration. Peter also modified the timing wheel adjustment to allow fine tuning tweaks to the advance.

The McD ZFM was operated at various DC voltages up to the high 50's. His new Bipolar Switch board held up to the voltages and ran cool, no issues. I believe that the maximum RPM was close to 9,000 - no amp data since the clamp-on meter was left in the shipping box in the Conference room. Aaron provided some three AGM 35Ah deep cycle batteries that worked very well when connected in the 36v series loop. The prolonged run times during the conference did not impact the original standing voltage of 13+v very much.

The Y ZFM operated, after tweaking, at about 11,400 RPM with an amp draw of 08-1.0 at 36v. About a 65 degree firing duration and 40 degree advance. When the later acid test of max voltage of 60v was applied the machine cranked up to ~13,400 RPM, no issues here, missed the amp draw read. As mentioned in the previous post there appears to be a performance wall as the voltage is increased with the RPM not increasing as much as anticipated. The reed switches are being stressed at this RPM where they are firing at well over 400Hz, way over the recommended maximum operating spec for these particular reed switches.

So the take aways here are as follows: The magnet size should be 1"D x 3/8"T for maximum torque development and speed, the reed switches or some other factors are limiting further speed gains and the variable voltage power supply removes the need for multiple batteries for higher voltage testing. All is good!

My personal take away is that the ZFM design, when properly executed, will produce some very interesting and surprising performance numbers. We will have to wait for the test data after the modifications are completed in August.

Special thanks to Peter Lindemann and James McDonald for making the effort to share their machines and knowledge with everyone at the Conference. Certainly made this a unique event.

Yaro

[Yaro1776]

ZFM Conference Update

Hello to All,

I had the pleasure of attending the 2017 Energy Conference and presenting a short history on the evolution of the ZFM from the late John Bedini's Zero Vacuum Engine (~ 1976) to the present day machine. This was based on access to Bedini's notes and input from other sources. There will be a video and E-book of all this along with specific design information and Bedini's Lab notes in the near future.

At this Conference we had three different ZFM's lined up and all were operated for up close and personal viewing. Peter Lindemann brought his 2016 Conference Demo and lined it up with the James McDonald and Yaro ZFM's. Quite a bit of activity at this table with many conference participants inspecting the three models. Can't get any better than that.

Peter L. had his variable DC power supply there and we had the opportunity to test run the motors with voltages up to 60v rather than the usual max of 36v. The higher voltages were useful to test the robustness of the Bipolar Switch circuits. The maximum RPM's on the machines did not increase that much - perhaps 10-15 percent. There appears to be a limitation relating either to the reed switches or the coil amperage polarity reversal frequency. More to research.

Peter had an important update on the physical spec's for the iron rotor and motor Neo's. The motor Neo's are increased to 1"D x 3/8"T and the square iron rotor to 1.3" per side with a 1" length. Check out the attached photo. This update is very useful and I have already sent one my rotors to the machine shop and ordered the 1" Neo's. Expect to have some initial test runs and data in August. The torque of the PL ZFM is significantly greater than the McD and Yaro ZFM's that use a 1.2" square rotor and 3/4"D x 3/8"T Neo's (YZFM) with 3/4"D x 1/2"T (McDZFM). Also attached is a pic of the ZFM Builders at the conference - left to right James, Peter and Yaro.


Also presented were o-scope screen shots of the ZFM coil voltage cycle that show a small Lenz effect - I anticipate that James McD will post and elaborate in more detail on this in the near future.

Yaro

[ZPDM]

James,

Thanks for this. While I started the thread, I am taking a six month/year hiatus to focus more heavily on practical matters. It is wonderful to see this initiative generating so much excellent work and research. No doubt the ZFM is an interesting and confusing machine, which is sometimes the best type. While this doesn't relate to the ZFM I want to throw one more idea out at this board as I just don't have time for it now. I was thinking about Mu-metal and how its permeability is 10-100 times that of steel and thinking people have home brewed other cores, can Mu-metal be home brewed? Looking at the melting points involved I was first thinking well maybe with a water torch when it also occurred to me there are "powdered cores". From a two minute glance the materials involved in Mu-metal are 1) readily available as powders 2) not too expensive 3) not too toxic. I don't see why one couldn't just mix it all together and throw it in a PVC pipe, maybe melt it in some bees wax if you wanted it to keep its shape. Haven't done this yet and simply don't have time at the moment, but something to think about, and it is high on my list of experiments when I get a chance to do a bit more in this area. BTW James, you are just down the street from me in Bethesda, if you ever want to grab a cup of coffee or tea let me know.

[James McDonald]

James's Zero Force Motor Build

This post is to show my build of the Zero Force Motor. I have been working on this since December 2016. The first
part that was made was the Iron Rotor and the 1/2 inch thick shaft at 12 inches long. The rotor and shaft were made
out of DoD quality iron. The data sheet on the Iron claimed it to be 99.7% pure. The coil forms were cut from a 4
inch PVC pipe connector. The coil form center was cut to be 1 inch thick. The magnet wire size used was 18 gauge. The
length of magnet wire on each half of the toriod shaped coil is 450 feet. Giving me a total DC resistance of 6.0 ohms.
The bearings used were Baldor Dodge pillow block type part number 129150 or P2B-GT-008. Since these bearing have
dust covers on them you will have to remove the metal covers off the bearings and clean out the white grease inside.
I called the Baldor Dodge people and found out I should have been sold part number 139553. These are easier to take
apart due to they have a rubber insert under the dust cover and are rated for 14,500 RPM operating. The bearings I
have are rated at 12,500 RPM. The firing timing wheel has Neo Magnets and Reed Switches. The Neo magnets are
mounted at 0 degrees and 180 degrees. The Reed switches are mounted at 0 degrees and 90 degrees. The driving
circuit is the standard Bedini-Cole circuit using Audio Power Transistors. The initial run data is listed below.

Powering Voltage - Measured Current - Measured RPM (Speed)

12 volts -------------- 0.70 amps ---------- 2824

24 volts -------------- 0.69 amps ---------- 5859

36 volts -------------- 0.78 amps ---------- 6981


Enjoy the video


https://youtu.be/uiMZZ0_0X10


-- James McDonald

[Yaro1776]

Spring Follies

Hello to @all,

Progress on the ZFM Proto has continued from the last video 7B. The timing configuration was modified to a friendlier arrangement using a balanced 60 degree firing arc duration with the Aluminum rotor. This arrangement was then tested and data gathered for baseline comparison purposes and then the new Iron rotor was installed in the motor.

For this post I will not include all the data, but will state that the overall performance between the Aluminum and Iron rotors is not really very different. Both rotors produce approximately the same RPM and amperage draw. Perhaps the iron rotor may have a bit more torque, but that is anecdotal based on the two finger shaft test.

There was the intention of doing a video on the impact of timing on the operation of the ZFM along with its impact on RPM and amperage draw - but that will wait until it is needed for demonstration. For these above tests the combination of firing angle and advance have been kept within the constraints suggested by Peter Lindemman way earlier in this thread and that is less than a total of 90 degrees or so for the duration plus advance. All well within the degree arc coverage of a coil segment.

There are a number of take-aways here:
1) The duration of the firing arc will increase or decrease the amperage draw from the primary battery.
2) The advance has a major impact on the amperage draw and final RPM.
3) For nearly every configuration of Timing the ZFM will continue to build speed from the initial RPM value by ~5% or more for several minutes or more.
4) The greatest torque and RPM are achieved by progressively increasing the operating voltage - ie. 12v, 24v, and 36v.
5) The motor coils will normally warm up a bit over room temperature - usually by a maximum of ~5F.
6) The Bipolar switch will certainly heat up quite a bit, but that is dependent on the firing arc duration and advance.

Additional experimentation has demonstrated that the time required to energize and de-energize the existing coils is a critical factor in the ZFM's high speed operational modes and that the harmonics produced by the firing rate influence the value of the RPM and amperage draw.

Another interesting observation is that this experimentation also appears to suggest the formation of the clover leaf pattern of the magnetic fields surrounding the coils as depicted in JB's Lab sketch, however further work on this has been put aside until later this summer. The current effort is to attach a small pump to the ZFM and physically pump water while collecting the relevant performance data - where the rubber meets the road.

The above post may seem overly generalized, but it does contain many interesting nuggets for further thought and exploration.

Happy Spring,
Yaro

[Tom C]

my 2 cents here.... I don't think a BIG neo is needed, we only need the fields to penetrate both sides of the coil, as long as it does this we can get the RPM we want without some of the forces Yaro is talking about. think about the colored cloverleaf Dave Wing posted. you can build that with 4 neo magnets and iron connecting then thru the center. I would not think that anything larger than a 1/2 by 1/2 by 2 inch long neo would be all we need. if you 3D printed in nylon or a carbon your strength would be there, and you could design the iron pole pieces to slide in to connect the fields before you slid in the magnets. you can make the magnets completely captive. perhaps a wider instead of thicker magnet is the answer.

of course there are parameters we need to run in so there will be a best size ratio for the magnets... I also think perhaps speed can be achieved by having the timing advance as RPM changes. I don't know this for sure it is just a guess based on the SG work I have done


Tom C