John Bedini 10 Coiler Circuit

[Dwane Dibley]

Hi guys,
I am seeking some clarification on the JB 10 coiler circuit. In his video "Energy from the Vacuum" part 2, about 1hr 16mins onwards, while demonstrating his 10 coiler to charge his 1800 amp hr batteries, John specifically refers to his US Patent 6545444. all of the coilers I have seen built, demonstrated or classed as replications, appear to use the SG circuit. The patent shows the "Radiant" energy being drawn off be a secondary coil that is not pulsed through an individual slave circuit. John does refer to slave circuits in his build on the video, but, as per usual, is short on specifics.

If someone is able to enlighten me on the difference between circuits used, I would appreciate the input.

cheers

Dwane

[Faraday88]

Hi Dwane,

Fundamentally, Radiant Electricity can be harnessed by two distinct methods called 'Fractionation' one is the Capacitive fractionation, like the SG and the other Inductive Fractionation like the SSG. the 10 coiler is an Inductive Fractionation embodiment. it is my pure speculation that it is an advanced version of the inductive fractionation including the Magnetic structure of the rotor fields. (Scalar field) even i have pondered for years now on how exactly it is made to work!
i studied his 6 coiler, 12 coiler (48 actually) and I gather from reading over the internet that these were specifically built to test some aspect of the Radiant electric mode of Charging Batteries.
The 10 coiler is for sure a different beast! it is perhaps the most powerful amoung them all. Amoung the best of my speculation, i Theorized the 10 coiler to be an 'Inverted Electric Toroid' the periphery consisting of the coils and the centre (the big black rotor wheel) consisting of Iron core rotor.10-coiler Theory.pdf such that they are composed of 5 numbers of crossed iron bars, coupling 2 coils diagonally at the centre. i speculate that iron wheel(bulk) is not used since it does not look as heavy as it would get if it were used..(JB turns the wheel quite comfortably with single hand)
The centre being closest to the Magnetic field and the far end(open end of the Coil) at infinity makes it an Asymmetrical closed Magnetic path.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Dwane Dibley]

Hello Faraday88,
Thanks for the reply, although it is a bit too complicated for me! I was really looking for input from anyone that might have come to the same conclusion as myself, regarding the use of slave coils and or the energy source of their origin. If one utilises the third winding as proposed in the Patent description, then you get a stand alone potential at the rectifier. If you increase the number of secondary winding's, and, use only the same charge through the primary winding, then the transferred wave becomes diminished. By increasing the current through the primary winding to accommodate an increase in number of secondary windings will allow a proportionately greater energy transfer.

The secondary winding's all being isolated, do they contribute to a greater radiant effect? Is the question I was really looking to discuss. In the Energy from the Vacuum part2 video, it is not possible to observe the circuitry John uses. Yet, looking at each individual board size behind each coil, it would seem to be difficult to get seven large transistors and associated circuit crammed into such a small area. Just a thought on that one.

Cheers

Dwane

[Faraday88]

Hello Faraday88,
Thanks for the reply, although it is a bit too complicated for me! I was really looking for input from anyone that might have come to the same conclusion as myself, regarding the use of slave coils and or the energy source of their origin. If one utilises the third winding as proposed in the Patent description, then you get a stand alone potential at the rectifier. If you increase the number of secondary winding's, and, use only the same charge through the primary winding, then the transferred wave becomes diminished. By increasing the current through the primary winding to accommodate an increase in number of secondary windings will allow a proportionately greater energy transfer.

The secondary winding's all being isolated, do they contribute to a greater radiant effect? Is the question I was really looking to discuss. In the Energy from the Vacuum part2 video, it is not possible to observe the circuitry John uses. Yet, looking at each individual board size behind each coil, it would seem to be difficult to get seven large transistors and associated circuit crammed into such a small area. Just a thought on that one.

Cheers

Dwane

Hi Dwane,
You are correct actually!! the circuit in the 10 coiler SSG is similar to the pat#6545444 in a way but not exactly as i said the type of 'fractionation' differs in each case. the circuit comprises of Primary and Secondary windings and they may be 5 coils each spool (total 50 coils on the machine) now, here is the catch..!! do'nt go by all what he(JB) says in the DVD some things are red herring after all!!! and hence there may not be any master coils like in the previous 6 and 12 coiler versions. just my guess..
there is another aspect of this machine discussed in the Energetic forum on the use of the Bridge Rectifier Module (bottom corner right hand to the machine) ever wondered how this is configured??? remember SSG is Single diode pick up of the Radiant..! while a SG has a Bridge module why the difference?? I strongly recommend you to read and study John's early machines and his pursuit for understanding this waveform of the Radiant once you get a hold on what is happening you shall not only be able to explain it in entirety, but shall also be able to build each one to meet specific requirement this how i look at it !
Rgds,
Faraday88.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Dwane Dibley]

Hello Faraday88,
I think the simple difference between circuit specifications for single diode or FWBR is related to the method of charging the battery. A single diode is when direct pulsing of the battery by either positively charging a dump cap or direct pulse into the battery with the SG. A FWBR is more appropropriate for collecting all energy positive and negative across the coils of an energiser circuit into a dump capacitor.

Coming back to the original thread context here is a simple but very effective circuit that is obviously inspired by John's work. It shows explicitly what I am trying to establish as the conversational topic for discussion. I have run this circuit and one has to be very careful not to boil your batteries!!! It will charge and rejuvenate. With a regulator it would be able to turn itself off when a desired voltage has been reached. I have used this circuit to recover several batteries. Adjust R2 for sensitivity and speed of battery charge! Around 190ma at the base of the BUX should be optimum.This circuit works well with a standard power supply or another battery. The coil dimensions are flexible. I used a coil wound for an Energiser project using John's 200 turns and 23 guage specs. The 5watt resistors are essential!! The Bux transistor can be replaced with most fast switch options with a 200v+ rating.

This circuit conforms to John's preference for an air core to optimise the "Radiant" effect. This circuit certainly does that.

cheers

dwane

[dennis foyil]

Hi, Dwane. I believe that the 10 coiler only used four strands per coil. In the first sg book it is explained that JB studied several methods of harvesting the radiant and that the diode at the switch is more efficient than the 'pick-up ' strand to a bridge. Hope that helps. dennis

[Dwane Dibley]

Hi, Dwane. I believe that the 10 coiler only used four strands per coil. In the first sg book it is explained that JB studied several methods of harvesting the radiant and that the diode at the switch is more efficient than the 'pick-up ' strand to a bridge. Hope that helps. dennis

Hello Dennis,
Thanks for the info on the 10 coiler. As a lot of the kits out there came from someone who is not mentioned now(!), those kits used the SG circuit I am told. There is a 10 coiler thread where builders are talking 70 MJl's. This seems a lot to me. And, if the radiant pulse is not being harvested as I am proposing, this could be a low efficiency machine.

You are quite correct on the potential harvesting. In the Advanced book, Peter Lindemann explains the difference of Classic SG mode and Generator mode. I think I was also referring to the generator mode as the energiser mode as in the Free Energy Generator. There is a slight trade off in performance, but, if your circuit is working efficiently, it should not make too much difference. The main criteria is collecting the radiant pulse.

cheers

Dwane

[Retep]

10 Coil Schematic and set-up

Dwane,

Thanks for your interest in the 10 coil machine that John and I built in 2004. I don't think there are any photographs of the wiring set-up for the 10 coiler but the 6 coiler is set up the same way. Here is a picture of the back side of the 6 coil machine:



In this image you can see that there are two copper bars around the outside of the machine. The outermost one is the INPUT POSITIVE and the one right next to it is the INPUT NEGATIVE. You can see 4 transistors on each control board, meaning there are 4 windings per coil. One coil has a trigger winding on it, as well. Near the center, you can see another copper bar around the inside which collects all of the radiant impulses and becomes the OUTPUT POSITIVE. Down at the bottom of the frame you can see the INPUT POSITIVE is connected to the OUTPUT NEGATIVE as in all SSG circuits. Also in the center superimposed on and above the copper bar is a silver wire which carries the trigger signal to all of the control boards. You can see the little light bulb soldered onto the silver wire at its base and the trigger winding soldered to its side connection. The trigger winding is on the coil at the 9:00 o'clock position in this image.

So, that is how it is wired. The 10 coil unit is identical to this. So, it had 10 circuit boards with 4 transistors each, for a total of 40 transistors.

The 6 coil machine has an aluminum rotor with 6 magnets on it with North Poles facing the coils. Each magnet position consists of two of the standard 1 x 2 inch ceramic #8 magnets stacked on top of each other. The 10 coil machine was very different. It had a fiberglass bicycle wheel as its base and it had 20 slots machined into the outer rim. In each of these slots were place two of the same type of ceramic #8 magnets, but these were glued together as "squash field" pairs with a very sharp North Pole field coming out of the center, and South Poles on both sides.

The machine had very little torque and only turned at about 500 rpm on 24 volts. But the trigger was strong and sharp and the machine produced 200 radiant impulses per revolution (20 x 10) and over 1600 radiant impulses per second. All wire beyond the machine was the very large multi-strand 2.0 (two aught), about 0.5" in diameter. The output impedance of the machine fed into the very large 24 volt, 1600 Amp-Hour batteries with an internal resistance of 0.003 Ohms. On one occasion, the machine charged that battery bank from 20 volts (totally discharged) up to 31 volts with all cells boiling (assumed to be fully charged) in 30 hours drawing 10 amps at 25 volts from a wall supply. This particular charging sequence appeared to produce a COP>5. There was never another occasion presented where we needed to duplicate these results, so the machine's real COP remains unquantified.

So, that is how the 10 coil machine was set up.

I hope that helps,
Peter

[RS_]

Hi Peter,

What is the largest size battery that you and JB charged with the 6 Coil SSG....?

[min2oly]

Dwane,

Thanks for your interest in the 10 coil machine that John and I built in 2004. I don't think there are any photographs of the wiring set-up for the 10 coiler but the 6 coiler is set up the same way. Here is a picture of the back side of the 6 coil machine:

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In this image you can see that there are two copper bars around the outside of the machine. The outermost one is the INPUT POSITIVE and the one right next to it is the INPUT NEGATIVE. You can see 4 transistors on each control board, meaning there are 4 windings per coil. One coil has a trigger winding on it, as well. Near the center, you can see another copper bar around the inside which collects all of the radiant impulses and becomes the OUTPUT POSITIVE. Down at the bottom of the frame you can see the INPUT POSITIVE is connected to the OUTPUT NEGATIVE as in all SSG circuits. Also in the center superimposed on and above the copper bar is a silver wire which carries the trigger signal to all of the control boards. You can see the little light bulb soldered onto the silver wire at its base and the trigger winding soldered to its side connection. The trigger winding is on the coil at the 9:00 o'clock position in this image.

So, that is how it is wired. The 10 coil unit is identical to this. So, it had 10 circuit boards with 4 transistors each, for a total of 40 transistors.

The 6 coil machine has an aluminum rotor with 6 magnets on it with North Poles facing the coils. Each magnet position consists of two of the standard 1 x 2 inch ceramic #8 magnets stacked on top of each other. The 10 coil machine was very different. It had a fiberglass bicycle wheel as its base and it had 20 slots machined into the outer rim. In each of these slots were place two of the same type of ceramic #8 magnets, but these were glued together as "squash field" pairs with a very sharp North Pole field coming out of the center, and South Poles on both sides.

The machine had very little torque and only turned at about 500 rpm on 24 volts. But the trigger was strong and sharp and the machine produced 200 radiant impulses per revolution (20 x 10) and over 1600 radiant impulses per second. All wire beyond the machine was the very large multi-strand 2.0 (two aught), about 0.5" in diameter. The output impedance of the machine fed into the very large 24 volt, 1600 Amp-Hour batteries with an internal resistance of 0.003 Ohms. On one occasion, the machine charged that battery bank from 20 volts (totally discharged) up to 31 volts with all cells boiling (assumed to be fully charged) in 30 hours drawing 10 amps at 25 volts from a wall supply. This particular charging sequence appeared to produce a COP>5. There was never another occasion presented where we needed to duplicate these results, so the machine's real COP remains unquantified.

So, that is how the 10 coil machine was set up.

I hope that helps,
Peter

Nice description.
-Patrick

[Retep]

Hi Peter,

What is the largest size battery that you and JB charged with the 6 Coil SSG....?

Hey RS,

The 6 coil machine was always kind of an orphan at the shop, and never had a permanent home. The picture above shows it on a large table in the same room with the 10 coil machine in the background to the left. Under that table were two sets of golf cart batteries which were its most usual test bed.

Both the 10 coil machine and the 6 coil machine were 24 volt systems, and each control board was designed to draw one ampere (0.25 amps per transistor), so the 6 coil machine was designed as a 6 amp system. It was the last of the big rotary machines to be built in 2004. After that, we started building the big pendulums.

That is pretty much what I remember.

Peter

[Faraday88]

Hey RS,

The 6 coil machine was always kind of an orphan at the shop, and never had a permanent home. The picture above shows it on a large table in the same room with the 10 coil machine in the background to the left. Under that table were two sets of golf cart batteries which were its most usual test bed.

Both the 10 coil machine and the 6 coil machine were 24 volt systems, and each control board was designed to draw one ampere (0.25 amps per transistor), so the 6 coil machine was designed as a 6 amp system. It was the last of the big rotary machines to be built in 2004. After that, we started building the big pendulums.

That is pretty much what I remember.

Peter

Hi Peter,

what co-relates the number of coils per spool and the Battery plates.. as i see it the total number of coils are exactly equal to the Voltage used (input/out put), i remember reading JB's comments on what he called the Branch currents or the Lamaller currents could you please ellborate this for us..
Thank you in advance..
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

[Retep]

Just a Few Words....

Hi Peter,

what co-relates the number of coils per spool and the Battery plates.. as i see it the total number of coils are exactly equal to the Voltage used (input/out put), i remember reading JB's comments on what he called the Branch currents or the Lamaller currents could you please elaborate this for us..
Thank you in advance..
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

Faraday88,

Thanks for your interest and the question. To the best of my knowledge, there was no correlation between the number of coils and the battery plates. That was never a consideration. The only thing that was important was the IMPEDANCE of the circuit and the IMPEDANCE of the receiving batteries. When both were very low, the COP would go way up, but the machines also got VERY touchy and all of the transistors would explode unless an increasingly stringent operating protocol was strictly enforced. None of the big machines had neon lights across the transistor junctions because they didn't help. If the output was disconnected on a small machine, operated from a 7 AH gel battery using clip leads and charging a similar sized battery, the neon lights would come ON and safely discharge the radiant energy. If the same machine was connected to golf cart batteries (225 AH) with #6 wire, operated and then disconnected from the charging batteries, ALL of the transistors in the circuit would be severely damaged, and at least one transistor per coil would eject a large piece of plastic from its case and throw it across the room. These were PRESSURE EXPLOSIONS from inside the transistor junctions that happened BEFORE the neon light could even turn ON! The multiple strand designs were an attempt to keep each transistor within its SOA (safe operating area) but even that was of limited benefit. John and I believed we were looking at supporting evidence for Tesla's statements that "electricity behaves like a gas under pressure" and that waves of energy with insanely fast propagation speeds (longitudinal waves) were present. Our learning curve was directly proportional to the number of transistors in the garbage can!!

Beyond this, I am not going to comment on any of John's statements. You, and everyone else, must interpret what John said in your own way.

I am not here to chat or be drawn into lengthy discussions on theory. My purpose in posting in these threads is to place the authentic designs for these machines into the public domain, so that future students may be able to replicate and study them if they wish.

Thanks for your understanding,
Peter

[RS_]

"Our learning curve was directly proportional to the number of transistors in the garbage can!!"

LOL, Been there done that, I have Killed more MJL's in various builds over the years, than i care to think about.......

Blowing up 48 transistors at a time is NOT FUN

[RS_]

Peter,

I see a small pulley on the shaft, in another Pic of the 6 coil SSG, did you and JB add a load to it...? Like the Fan on other models...?