John Bedini states - radiantly charge battery can be used as the primary with the SG

[longhorn]

This video will resolve the issue on any question as to whether a primary battery in an SG system charged radiantly can power an SG.

Energy From The Vacuum 02 John Benini Tom Bearden John Bedini - YouTube

[Tom C]

This video will resolve the issue on any question as to whether a primary battery in an SG system charged radiantly can power an SG.

Energy From The Vacuum 02 John Benini Tom Bearden John Bedini - YouTube

let us know how it works out....
Tom C

[longhorn]

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

I am not really trying to start an argument over the subject of; "Can a battery that has been charged with radiant energy be used to power the SG as the primary battery?"

What you are asking of me is to ignore what I've heard John Bedini say as well as what Tom Beardon has stated over the years. That is that the primary battery can be swapped out with the secondary which will then become the primary powering the SG. I do not recall Bedini ever stating that other specialized circuit or circuits were needed to accomplish the swap. What I am reading on the Energy Science Forum is 180 degrees opposite.

Below is an excerpt from John's website over at icehouse.net, from an article written by Tom Beardon in 2000. What is compelling about this excerpt is that Beardon only reinforces my premise and reaffirms Bedini comments in the video I originally posted in this thread.

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

Explanation of John Bedini's Formation of
Negative Resistors in Batteries
By Tom Bearden 4-26-00

(Excerpt)

For ease in building and timing the system, John often prefers to use two
batteries and switch between them. He will charge one as ostensibly an
additional part of the load, but all the while adjusting his pulses in the
charging process to dramatically open the process and get the injection of
a lot of excess vacuum energy in there via similar phenomenology to what we
described above. Meantime, the other battery is powering the circuit
normally. Then he just switches, and recharges the first battery including
evoking the negative resistor effects in it, while using power from the
second, recharged battery. The amount of excess charging energy he tricks
the vacuum into giving him while charging the battery, is "free" energy he
can then use to power the system when he switches the recharged battery
into system-powering position. He continues to switch, which yields a self-
powering open dissipative system, freely extracting all its energy from the
active vacuum. In that case, he makes the charging battery charge a lot
faster by the negative resistor effects than just with the simple energy he
inputs in his pulsing and in his "normal charging currents" to the battery.
He "opens" that battery-charging process and subsystem the way we
described, so that the vacuum furnishes more than half the charging input
energy.

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[geoffrey sr miller]

To All ,Longhorn and Tom C.

I have run the SSG with changing the batteries back and forth, and YES it WORKS.
I have also run SSG on 1 battery ONLY, and many different other ways.

John B. has shown a lot of info. on the web, you have to discern what is good and what is bad.

Everybody has to do their own experiments to find out what works and what does not work ON THE LAB BENCH.

SO: "Can a battery that has been charged with radiant energy be used to power the SG as the primary battery?" YES

You have to used very good discernment to look at the SSG, just like 911 buildings coming down. ( 9 seconds for the the buildings to free fall by gravity, I don;t think so, DO THE MATH, it is about turning metal into dust ,you should see that on the lab bench!.)

You have to THINK, John will not give you everything for FREE.

The most important thing is WHAT ARE YOU USING THE SSG UNIT FOR?

The KEY is what is your NEED?, what do you need the SSG TO DO FOR YOU!

It is all about Experiments!



Everybody have fun.


Geoffrey

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

I am not really trying to start an argument over the subject of; "Can a battery that has been charged with radiant energy be used to power the SG as the primary battery?"

What you are asking of me is to ignore what I've heard John Bedini say as well as what Tom Beardon has stated over the years. That is that the primary battery can be swapped out with the secondary which will then become the primary powering the SG. I do not recall Bedini ever stating that other specialized circuit or circuits were needed to accomplish the swap. What I am reading on the Energy Science Forum is 180 degrees opposite.

Below is an excerpt from John's website over at icehouse.net, from an article written by Tom Beardon in 2000. What is compelling about this excerpt is that Beardon only reinforces my premise and reaffirms Bedini comments in the video I originally posted in this thread.

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

Explanation of John Bedini's Formation of
Negative Resistors in Batteries
By Tom Bearden 4-26-00

(Excerpt)

For ease in building and timing the system, John often prefers to use two
batteries and switch between them. He will charge one as ostensibly an
additional part of the load, but all the while adjusting his pulses in the
charging process to dramatically open the process and get the injection of
a lot of excess vacuum energy in there via similar phenomenology to what we
described above. Meantime, the other battery is powering the circuit
normally. Then he just switches, and recharges the first battery including
evoking the negative resistor effects in it, while using power from the
second, recharged battery. The amount of excess charging energy he tricks
the vacuum into giving him while charging the battery, is "free" energy he
can then use to power the system when he switches the recharged battery
into system-powering position. He continues to switch, which yields a self-
powering open dissipative system, freely extracting all its energy from the
active vacuum. In that case, he makes the charging battery charge a lot
faster by the negative resistor effects than just with the simple energy he
inputs in his pulsing and in his "normal charging currents" to the battery.
He "opens" that battery-charging process and subsystem the way we
described, so that the vacuum furnishes more than half the charging input
energy.

New Page 1

[Tom C]

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

I am not really trying to start an argument over the subject of; "Can a battery that has been charged with radiant energy be used to power the SG as the primary battery?"

What you are asking of me is to ignore what I've heard John Bedini say as well as what Tom Beardon has stated over the years. That is that the primary battery can be swapped out with the secondary which will then become the primary powering the SG. I do not recall Bedini ever stating that other specialized circuit or circuits were needed to accomplish the swap. What I am reading on the Energy Science Forum is 180 degrees opposite.

Below is an excerpt from John's website over at icehouse.net, from an article written by Tom Beardon in 2000. What is compelling about this excerpt is that Beardon only reinforces my premise and reaffirms Bedini comments in the video I originally posted in this thread.

Can we find a middle path to a resolution between our differences; Tom C ?

Explanation of John Bedini's Formation of
Negative Resistors in Batteries
By Tom Bearden 4-26-00

(Excerpt)

For ease in building and timing the system, John often prefers to use two
batteries and switch between them. He will charge one as ostensibly an
additional part of the load, but all the while adjusting his pulses in the
charging process to dramatically open the process and get the injection of
a lot of excess vacuum energy in there via similar phenomenology to what we
described above. Meantime, the other battery is powering the circuit
normally. Then he just switches, and recharges the first battery including
evoking the negative resistor effects in it, while using power from the
second, recharged battery. The amount of excess charging energy he tricks
the vacuum into giving him while charging the battery, is "free" energy he
can then use to power the system when he switches the recharged battery
into system-powering position. He continues to switch, which yields a self-
powering open dissipative system, freely extracting all its energy from the
active vacuum. In that case, he makes the charging battery charge a lot
faster by the negative resistor effects than just with the simple energy he
inputs in his pulsing and in his "normal charging currents" to the battery.
He "opens" that battery-charging process and subsystem the way we
described, so that the vacuum furnishes more than half the charging input
energy.

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Sure, we can split the difference........ my research with a standard SG that was runnning at a cop of 2.0 excluding mechanical (2 batteries for one) in what we call "vanilla" mode (no cap pulser just the diode on the collector output, bifilar 1 power one trigger strand) could not, after 30 or more cycles of both batteries on the back end, keep both batteries charged. battery 1 charged 30 times on the SG, battery 2 charged 30 times on the SG using a standard charger for the primary, then put into swapping mode.

now add the cap pulser mod, and things change.

If you have results other than my work, please post this. Everything is said in the context of the framework of the monopole circuit and its variants. Yes John can do 4 for 1, John can do 12 for 1 I bet. It would not surprise me if John could do infinity for 1, but he aint letting that cat out of the bag. Tom B is a theoretical physicist, and I trust and believe every word he says. But which machine is Tom talking about? JB has dozens of monopole variants sitting in his shop. Each one does different things, it was built for a research purpose. If Tom is talking about the motor used in the TUV test it is a cap pulser model.

so the best way to do this is do testing, please as we ask all people to do, show your work. When you figure it out show us. I will shut up gladly and point everyone your way I have zero ego in this. I am not trying to be beligerent, I want to make sure that everyone understands that free energy is not free. they cant go "woohoo I built my SG I can go off grid now" not going to happen. its a lot of work, tons of money, dedication to the technology, and read read read........

here is a simple test. 2 fully charged radiantly charged Sg batteries. pull 1 amp out of one, put it on the SG that is running from a standard charged battery, charge it up. pull 1 amp out, charge it up. do this until the battery on the primary side is at 80% D.O.D. this will give you a good baseline of how long a standard battery can run an SG for, with the radiant battery running at the top of its curve. now fully charge that battery again on the SG. now using 2 SG charged batteries, begin the swap. run 1 amp out of the primary, then switch batteries, pull one amp out of the primary, then switch batteries. the primary needs to power the SG at C20 or greater C40 is even better C100 puts you into peukerts effect. you can even calculate mechanical using a prony brake. if your machine is swapping, then start adding batteries on the charge side and see what happens.

Tom C

[Tom C]

To All ,Longhorn and Tom C.

I have run the SSG with changing the batteries back and forth, and YES it WORKS.
I have also run SSG on 1 battery ONLY, and many different other ways.

John B. has shown a lot of info. on the web, you have to discern what is good and what is bad.

Everybody has to do their own experiments to find out what works and what does not work ON THE LAB BENCH.

SO: "Can a battery that has been charged with radiant energy be used to power the SG as the primary battery?" YES

You have to used very good discernment to look at the SSG, just like 911 buildings coming down. ( 9 seconds for the the buildings to free fall by gravity, I don;t think so, DO THE MATH, it is about turning metal into dust ,you should see that on the lab bench!.)

You have to THINK, John will not give you everything for FREE.

The most important thing is WHAT ARE YOU USING THE SSG UNIT FOR?

The KEY is what is your NEED?, what do you need the SSG TO DO FOR YOU!

It is all about Experiments!



Everybody have fun.


Geoffrey

can you please post the specs of the machine that you were using to swap, the exact circuit, the batteries you were using, pics of the machine, etc. especially coil wire size, length of wire, number of strands, magnet type, transistor. people will be very interested in replicationg a true swapper. with that being said, all we get out of the SG if it is a swapper is the mechanical, unless we can get at least 3 to one (1 extra battery from the process).

looking forward to your work.

Tom C

[RS_]

JB in the video is talking about the SG with Cap pulser.... NOT about the SSG.....

they are both radiant chargers, but the SSG puts the Radiant / Negative energy directly into the battery

The SG with cap pulser puts the Radiant / Negative energy into a Cap then pulses it into the battery...

The Cap Regages the Radiant / Negative energy into Positive energy, so that positive energy is going into the battery....

This is the difference......

In my experiance, the SSG charged batterys run down way faster if used to drive the same SSG that it was charged on, as compared to running a inverter running at aprox the same amps.... they just don't like it..... they also do not like to be charged with a normal DC charger after they are well conditioned after many cycles......

where a SG cap pulsed battery will last a lot longer when running the SG that it was charged on, as you would expect a highly conditioned battery to do....

Both the SSG and the SG cap pulser energizers can charge 4 battery's from one battery if configured correctly

Genny coil energy cap pulser charged battery's will run both the SG with cap pulser, and the SSG energizers just fine.......

[longhorn]

Tom C and others:


Thank you Tom C and others.

Getting answers around here is like pulling teeth from my ex's lawyer.

Am currently building a plain vanilla SG with the intentions of constructing verbatim as shown in the SG Handbook, nothing fancy.

But from a practical standpoint my intentions are to a higher attainment, and my belief is that all ships should rise together. Some of us have better resources, some of us have more technical expertise, while others have big hearts and good intentions. I would prefer a forum where everything is not necessarily given freely, but real issues are discussed and dissected practically, with a spirit of participant camaraderie. Call me old fashion but the post on this thread are some of the best I've seen to date. Thank You all.

Moving on, where can a guy get a ready to use SG shaft, and if available is the shaft diameter O.D. standard to the I.D. of most bicycle rims? The shaft is proving difficult for me as I do not have a machine shop, nor do I have shaft spec's to have one locally fabricated.

[RS_]

Hi All,

I wrote the below Bedini energizer differences explanation on another forum a while back, I will re-post here, and hope that it helps your understanding:


Standard Battery chargers use normal DC current flow backward through the battery at 14V to 16V, which will allow Sulfanation to form/grow on the Plates over time, as the battery is charged and discharged, decreasing the plates surface area, until the plate material's surface molecules are too big to interact with the electrolyte, and the battery will not receive a charge any more and is dead, and needs replacing. Standard Desulfanators, use pulses of CURRENT at a voltage of 14V to 16V, and will help KNOCK the Sulfate off the plate, and it ends up in the bottom of the battery, and the plate gets thinner, but has a cleaner surface with smaller molecules for the electrolyte to interact with.

There are several versions of Bedini Technology.

In the SSG (Simplified School Girl) model, The coil is pulsed with Voltage causing a magnetic field to build up as current flows, the same as in any coil. Then when the switch is opened, the magnetic field collapse's, and creates a extremely short duration Recoil Spike of extremely high voltage & very small current flow, the same as any coil. The difference is what the SSG circuit does with that Sharp Spike of Voltage. Almost all modern coil/motor driver circuits, shunts that high voltage spike to the ground rail, or the positive rail, through free wheeling diodes, to keep that spike from killing the drive Transistors, Mosfets, IGBT's, etc.... Engineers do their Best, to get rid of that Recoil Spike. The Bedini SSG diverts that High Voltage Recoil Spike through a diode into a charging battery, that is NOT in the same current LOOP as the drive battery / power supply. Thus the charging battery is seeing a almost current less High Voltage Spike, that forces the ions in the electrolyte to move backward, without using much current. Then there is some dead time while the circuit resets for the next coil pulse, and during this dead time, the ions in the battery electrolyte are still moving backward, but before they can stop moving, the coil produce's the next Recoil Voltage Spike, that keeps the ions moving backward.
This charges the battery, without using much current. The process with many charge discharge cycles, Replates the battery plates with smaller and smaller surface molecules called Dentrites, that look like tiny fern leafs, or fractals that look the same at different magnifications, GROWING on the plate. This increases the surface area that the electrolyte can interact with, thus increasing the state of charge, so that the battery can last FAR LONGER at a given Amp Load. The smaller plate surface molecules also mean that it takes FAR LESS time to charge the battery back up.
The smaller plate surface molecules, also mean a Higher 4 Hour Standing Voltage.
This process with many many charge cycles will make the plate surface molecules growing on the plate, Smaller than when NEW, thus the battery has MORE Discharge Time than when NEW....!!!!
Once SSG charged Batterys have been Conditioned, you Never want to put them on a standard DC charger, as that will undo the conditioning. So you want to charge them with a SSG model from then on. Because the charger Never lets the plate molecules get very big, the battery will Never Ware Out and Die by Sulfanation



The SG-Cap Pulser (School Girl) model, works similar to the SSG, but is very different.

When the coil magnetic field collapse's, and creates a extremely short duration Recoil Spike of extremely high voltage & very small current flow, the same as any coil. The SG-Cap Pulser model has a 3rd winding, that collects the Recoil Spike, and diverts it through a FWBR into a collection Cap that fills up extremely fast, because of the extremely high voltage, up to 20-25V Then the Cap Pulser's semiconductor switch, SHARPLY Dumps the Cap to the charging Battery, down to the battery's voltage, or a volt or 2 over the battery Voltage, then the Cap Recharges up from the charging battery's Voltage, Vs up from empty, taking less time to charge to full. Once again, the Sharp Cap Discharge Pulse is forcing the Ions in the electrolyte to move backward, and once again you have Dead time while the cap fills back up, and when the cap dumps again, it keeps the ions moving backward, charging the Battery.
And once again, the charging battery is NOT in the same Current LOOP as the driving battery/power supply. Because the charger Never lets the plate molecules get very big, the battery will Never Ware Out and Die by Sulfanation

With The SG-Cap Pulser model, you can use the battery on a standard charger, such as in your automobile, and it will hold the conditioning for a lot longer than the SSG model. The battery will eventually lose its conditioning, and start Sulfanation again, needing a SG-Cap Pulser treatment every so often, to keep it in shape. Or use the SG-Cap Pulser all the time the same as a SSG.

Then there is The Bedini/Cole, bipolar motor driver circuit, that can be configured as a 1/2 H bridge driver, or a Full H bridge driver, and are much like any other H bridge motor drivers, with the difference being, that a FWBR is put across the drive motor Coil, to collect that extremely short duration Recoil Spike of extremely high voltage & very small current flow, into a Cap Pulser, to charge Battery's with, in the same manner as the SG-Cap Pulser model. And there are NO Free wheeling Diodes to shunt that high voltage spike to the ground rail, or the positive rail to get rid of it, as most modern H Bridge motor drivers do.

There are several other variations, that I will not go into here.

All of these Energizer circuits and motor configs, are Patented by Bedini/Energenx
"Instead of conventional constant current or constant voltage DC charging, batteries charged by electrical pulses with specific shape, frequency, and magnitude, to trigger improved electrochemical energy charging in the battery. Because of this, the life of new batteries can be dramatically extended and the capacity of older batteries, previously unable to be adequately charged by conventional means, can be increased."

[geoffrey sr miller]

Hi Tom C.

I like your boating website!

This is John B. website, and he is trying to get all people on the same page
with the SSG unit.

I don't want to go into new SSG units here.

But I will put the info. on my website Energy Bat under PROJECT #10.

Please give me some time, it will be a big website.

I have over 40 years of info.

The only Batteries you should used is Trojan, if you want great Results.

Have fun

Geoffrey

can you please post the specs of the machine that you were using to swap, the exact circuit, the batteries you were using, pics of the machine, etc. especially coil wire size, length of wire, number of strands, magnet type, transistor. people will be very interested in replicationg a true swapper. with that being said, all we get out of the SG if it is a swapper is the mechanical, unless we can get at least 3 to one (1 extra battery from the process).

looking forward to your work.

Tom C

[Tom C]

Hi Tom C.

I like your boating website!

This is John B. website, and he is trying to get all people on the same page
with the SSG unit.

I don't want to go into new SSG units here.

But I will put the info. on my website Energy Bat under PROJECT #10.

Please give me some time, it will be a big website.

I have over 40 years of info.

The only Batteries you should used is Trojan, if you want great Results.

Have fun

Geoffrey


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yes I use T series and L series trojans

Tom C

[James Milner]

Geoffrey,
Is your site up yet? Can't seem to get through on the listed URL?
James

[geoffrey sr miller]

HI James

Yes, here is the website Energy Bat or energybat.com

Thanks geoffrey

[AlvaroHN]

Old thread but I just want to add a thing about swapping batteries with SSG (no cap dump). If I am not wrong, I read/heard John B saying that you could swap the batteries with a rest time (giving time to the negative energy to go positive in the battery). And other way to do it ( to swap without cap dump) is to have the trigger winding separated from the power winding, and that way it would work.

[Tom C]

yes that is correct.
Tom C