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[Dave Wing]

Hi all,

Something has come up that really has taken the wind out of my sails... I am sad and embarrassed to report that I had the amp meter on the wrong side of the primary battery, I had it on the negative side instead of the positive side. This realization has pretty much doubled my actual amp draw so now my gains are not as before. I should have known better than this and I feel foolish right now.

I will publish a vid showing the real results.

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

I have been running that machine that way for months... and now after I post the info... I realize my error, that is always the way with me.

Dave Wing

[Tom C]

no hard feelins dave, happens to the best of us!! you have shown a great way to power loads with generator coils on an SG, its a great effort and that is what matters.

Tom C

[min2oly]

No worries Dave,
here, have a good laugh at my expense...

This is just one of the many different ways.
I'm still not 100% on how you hooked it up. I'll wait for the vid - Thanks.
Cheers,
Patrick

Hi all,

Something has come up that really has taken the wind out of my sails... I am sad and embarrassed to report that I had the amp meter on the wrong side of the primary battery, I had it on the negative side instead of the positive side. This realization has pretty much doubled my actual amp draw so now my gains are not as before. I should have known better than this and I feel foolish right now.

I will publish a vid showing the real results.

Dave Wing

[Allen R.]

Okay. Allow me to be dumber still. What difference does it make what side its on as long as the flow through the meter is not wired backwards? Other than the coil in the meter changes the tuning slightly. I guess I should wait for the video as well. Thanks for suffering my question.
al

[Dave Wing]

Thanks, for understanding Tom, Patrick and everyone else. Patrick thank you for the video as well. Here is the vid, as promised.

Dave Wing

[min2oly]

I just spent the morning taking measurements from all over this circuit... So, do you have the primary neg lead going from the battery to the amp meter then to a negative rail-emitter-bus and then onto the diode then secondary/charging battery's negative terminal?

When I do it this way my amp draw is 80% lower than when I take it off the primary Plus. when I take the amp draw directly from the primary neg directly to the secondary neg, no diode, it is about half like yours. Very interesting.

I have to admit, using these ckts in particular; I gave up on measuring amp draw years ago. Instead I measure what it takes to charge the primary using a conventional wall wart (where the primary is a resistive load ) and cycle it just like I measure what I get out of the charging/secondary using a resistive load like an incandescent light bulb.

From time to time I measure amp draw - but inevitably the pulses ruin my meters. Thanks for sharing this, I had no idea the meter could be fooled so easily with my neg to neg mod, nor have I heard anyone else talking about it!

I think I remember John K. and/or Aaron talking about placing a large smoothing cap in parallel w/ the primary and placing a meter/resistor between the two. I think the idea was so the ckt would not be able to interact with the primary, instead it would interact with the CAP. I'll have to give it a try w/ this little beast.

Sincerely,
Patrick

Thanks, for understanding Tom, Patrick and everyone else. Patrick thank you for the video as well. Here is the vid, as promised.

Dave Wing

[knagtegl]

As Long as you don't stop trying and not give up you can't loose!

[Dave Wing]

Hi Patrick,

I have the primary battery positive terminal hooked to the amp meter and the other end out of the amp meter is going to the power coil plus side.

The primary battery negative terminal is hooked to the other amp meter and the output of the amp meter is going directly to the emitter. I am running without out the diode on the negative side of the secondary battery, the positive of the secondary battery terminal has a diode between it and the end of the power coil and transitor to prevent primary discharge. The secondary battery is connected across the transitor, collector and emitter.

Hope that answers your questions.

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Hi all,

I think I replicated the splitting the positive, John Bedini has talked about. Watch the video and let me know what you all think.

I see the video is 90 degrees out, I will remake the video properly.

Dave Wing

[min2oly]

Dave,
that's fantastic! I've seen many people split the positive in all kinds of ways, I never saw anyone do it quite the way you are in the vid. Maybe others have and will chime in... You have all kinds of good mojo going for you right now.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Patrick

Hi all,

I think I replicated the splitting the positive, John Bedini has talked about. Watch the video and let me know what you all think.

I see the video is 90 degrees out, I will remake the video properly.

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Hi all,

I think I replicated the splitting the positive, John Bedini has talked about. Watch the video and let me know what you all think.




I see the video is 90 degrees out, I will remake the video properly.

Dave Wing

Video remake...

Dave Wing

[John_Koorn]

Hey Dave, thanks for sharing all of your work.

I wanted to share what I am experimenting with, which is similar to what you are doing. I'll try to explain, but will also do a video when I get a chance.

I'm using the 3 battery switch as per the picture of John's you posted:

BTW, one small correction. JB said if you can't understand this you won't be able to successfully build a Tesla Switch.

What I am doing is putting an SG (in gen mode) where the load is on the above picture. What this does is pulse charges the 3rd battery with the difference of potential between the 2 series batteries and the single 3rd battery.
The output of the SG is then connected to a 4th battery and obviously also charges as we would expect. The 2 series batteries do discharge, but at a slower rate than you would expect.
Once the 3rd and 4th batteries are charged to ~15v (one will charge at a different rate to the other) I then switch the batteries around - the two charged batteries are placed in series, the lowest of the other batteries is connected as the 3rd battery, the SG placed as the load and the 4th battery is connected as the output of the SG.

I have been recording the voltages of all 4 batteries over many repetitive cycles and have noticed that I am seeing overall gains in the sum of all the battery voltages. I have also done the same experiment with different sized and different types of batteries and every time I am seeing overall gains. This setup is like a self-running battery charging system.

A couple of notes if you want to try this:
1. Try and use 4 batteries that are the same
2. Start off with small batteries until you can see what is going on and understand what is happening (large batteries will just take longer)
3. Use an SG that can charge the 4th battery to at least 15v
4. I am using the diode on the SG negative output, you may wish to try it without the diode (as Dave and Patrick are doing)
5. You may have to let the batteries rest before switching - if the SG input voltage is >1V above the 4th battery voltage it will not run
6. You can use a solid state or rotored SG
7. You can run the SG in conventional or gen mode
8. I have not tried using a cap pulser on the output of the SG yet.

I didn't want to hijack your thread Dave, so I've started another thread for this as well - just wanted to post this here as it is similar to what you are doing.

John K.

[min2oly]

I'm absolutely smitten w/ this concept since you first started to work w/ it on the old yahoo forum. It was your experiments of JB's work at the time of the tesla switch that got me into it.

I did a ton of experiments much like what you are doing w/ the ssg as the load. I used 9 different types of brush type motors, 6 different configurations of the SSG/joule thief/joule ringer/SS SSG... as a load as well as resistive loads and a few off the wall loads I won't mention.

Dave Bowling (Turion on the energetic forum) has a thread titled 3BGS that is using this "splitting the positive" type technique, very interesting... but I truly like the simplicity of what Dave (here) has done. run the neg neg mod 12 volts charging 24 then once in a while run a "split Pos mode" to charge back the primary.

been playing around with this today coming up w/ methods to automate the "split pos" part. there are loads that work better than others to charge the "third/primary battery". best loads I found were the efficient brush type motors that have NO caps or silicon to squelch the spikes. Kind of like what Dave is already using.

anyway lot's of fun - thanks,
Patrick

Hey Dave, thanks for sharing all of your work.

I wanted to share what I am experimenting with, which is similar to what you are doing. I'll try to explain, but will also do a video when I get a chance.

I'm using the 3 battery switch as per the picture of John's you posted:

BTW, one small correction. JB said if you can't understand this you won't be able to successfully build a Tesla Switch.

What I am doing is putting an SG (in gen mode) where the load is on the above picture. What this does is pulse charges the 3rd battery with the difference of potential between the 2 series batteries and the single 3rd battery.
The output of the SG is then connected to a 4th battery and obviously also charges as we would expect. The 2 series batteries do discharge, but at a slower rate than you would expect.
Once the 3rd and 4th batteries are charged to ~15v (one will charge at a different rate to the other) I then switch the batteries around - the two charged batteries are placed in series, the lowest of the other batteries is connected as the 3rd battery, the SG placed as the load and the 4th battery is connected as the output of the SG.

I have been recording the voltages of all 4 batteries over many repetitive cycles and have noticed that I am seeing overall gains in the sum of all the battery voltages. I have also done the same experiment with different sized and different types of batteries and every time I am seeing overall gains. This setup is like a self-running battery charging system.

A couple of notes if you want to try this:
1. Try and use 4 batteries that are the same
2. Start off with small batteries until you can see what is going on and understand what is happening (large batteries will just take longer)
3. Use an SG that can charge the 4th battery to at least 15v
4. I am using the diode on the SG negative output, you may wish to try it without the diode (as Dave and Patrick are doing)
5. You may have to let the batteries rest before switching - if the SG input voltage is >1V above the 4th battery voltage it will not run
6. You can use a solid state or rotored SG
7. You can run the SG in conventional or gen mode
8. I have not tried using a cap pulser on the output of the SG yet.

I didn't want to hijack your thread Dave, so I've started another thread for this as well - just wanted to post this here as it is similar to what you are doing.

John K.

[John_Koorn]

Thanks Patrick,

I'm intending to try out what Dave is doing and see what the difference is. I haven't been keeping up with Turion's thread, but I do know of at least one person that had good success with it.

Just to note, I'm actually "splitting the negative" with my setup, instead of the positive - but not sure it makes any difference or not.

John K.