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This thread is for the motor/generator build that a group of us are working on. We see the motor function and generator function as being 2 separate optimized parts for their specific use. We don't see any system performing both functions well at the same time. The Ferris Wheel appears to be of this configuration with the center coils and magnets being the driving electromagnetic motor and the large wheel the generator. We are going to have a motor section and separate generator section on a common shaft.
The basis for this design and how it would work - We don't see any proof that a standard Bedini type machine can produce much usable power on it's own and never real time. By usable power we mean that after 8 years we don’t see any one off grid powering a house or a car with them. We do see that they can produce extremely high amounts of torque. We want to take advantage of it's high torque to run a conventional generator unless we can come up with a better generator.
A description of the motor section.
I created and album for this build titled machine concepts. There are 2 cad file models in it now. To get higher torque we would put many single wound coils in a large diameter circle of 24" to 36 inches. Also to get higher torque the coils have been turned so that rotors would be on each end of them. Each rotor would have opposite polarity magnets that would be at both ends of the coils at the same time. Hopefully this would double the power. Only single wound coils as we don't care about its power output only that is self runs by battery swapping. Switching will be done by separate very small coils that can be moved for precision timing. There will be one switching coil for every electromagnet coil. We are going to add a choke to the circuit to slow down the switching time to give more time for the electromagnets to apply force to the rotor magnets. The generator would be the main power source. In the model the yellow parts are 16 coil spoils with no wires showing. The green parts are coil mounting plates. The 2 purple discs are the rotors connected to the shaft and spin in unison with the generator. The blue discs on the rotors are magnets and presently 16 on each disc. Only one set of magnets can be seen in this view. The aqua box is a standard generator taken from a gas powered generator. We have 30K feet of many different sizes of wire due in any time now. We are going to do testing with different wire sizes, number of wraps and types of cores including black sand epoxy mix. We also need to find out how close coils can be to each other. We will also test types and strengths of magnets.
A description of the generator section. The generator model is finally loaded here and in my album. Now to figure out how to get them to the bottom of the post. The basic version of the up-loader works great.
The generator section is controlled by the equation (Velocity of rotor x length of wire x strength of field x sin of theta = EMF). We have a generator concept in progress. We want a DC generator with no commutator so we have a large barrel shaped rotor with long rows of magnets on it. On the inside of the generator case will be many long narrow coils. Coils that have thicker wire and fewer wraps to keep the Lenz affect down. Long coils for the given equation. We want a large magnet to coils interface area. The large diameter of the rotor will keep the velocity up without going to high RPM'S. That also keeps the path of magnets more linear. Because of that we eliminate (x the sin of theta) in the given equation. We don't want many magnets interfacing many coils at the same time to keep power surges down. We don't know if this can be done with all the same magnet poles facing out. We think the coils will be wired together in some way to keep the CEMF moving forward. Bob Smith in post 185 of the erfinder thread asks some very good questions on how to connect them and the possible results.
If this generator doesn't work then we will use a conventional one. The system will be over unity by the amount of power created by the generator (example a 10 KW generator). We will have real time power not just limited to charging batteries.
This project is full open sourcing. It was inspired by Peter Lindeman's Lockridge Device DVD
The basis for this design and how it would work - We don't see any proof that a standard Bedini type machine can produce much usable power on it's own and never real time. By usable power we mean that after 8 years we don’t see any one off grid powering a house or a car with them. We do see that they can produce extremely high amounts of torque. We want to take advantage of it's high torque to run a conventional generator unless we can come up with a better generator.
A description of the motor section.
I created and album for this build titled machine concepts. There are 2 cad file models in it now. To get higher torque we would put many single wound coils in a large diameter circle of 24" to 36 inches. Also to get higher torque the coils have been turned so that rotors would be on each end of them. Each rotor would have opposite polarity magnets that would be at both ends of the coils at the same time. Hopefully this would double the power. Only single wound coils as we don't care about its power output only that is self runs by battery swapping. Switching will be done by separate very small coils that can be moved for precision timing. There will be one switching coil for every electromagnet coil. We are going to add a choke to the circuit to slow down the switching time to give more time for the electromagnets to apply force to the rotor magnets. The generator would be the main power source. In the model the yellow parts are 16 coil spoils with no wires showing. The green parts are coil mounting plates. The 2 purple discs are the rotors connected to the shaft and spin in unison with the generator. The blue discs on the rotors are magnets and presently 16 on each disc. Only one set of magnets can be seen in this view. The aqua box is a standard generator taken from a gas powered generator. We have 30K feet of many different sizes of wire due in any time now. We are going to do testing with different wire sizes, number of wraps and types of cores including black sand epoxy mix. We also need to find out how close coils can be to each other. We will also test types and strengths of magnets.
A description of the generator section. The generator model is finally loaded here and in my album. Now to figure out how to get them to the bottom of the post. The basic version of the up-loader works great.
The generator section is controlled by the equation (Velocity of rotor x length of wire x strength of field x sin of theta = EMF). We have a generator concept in progress. We want a DC generator with no commutator so we have a large barrel shaped rotor with long rows of magnets on it. On the inside of the generator case will be many long narrow coils. Coils that have thicker wire and fewer wraps to keep the Lenz affect down. Long coils for the given equation. We want a large magnet to coils interface area. The large diameter of the rotor will keep the velocity up without going to high RPM'S. That also keeps the path of magnets more linear. Because of that we eliminate (x the sin of theta) in the given equation. We don't want many magnets interfacing many coils at the same time to keep power surges down. We don't know if this can be done with all the same magnet poles facing out. We think the coils will be wired together in some way to keep the CEMF moving forward. Bob Smith in post 185 of the erfinder thread asks some very good questions on how to connect them and the possible results.
If this generator doesn't work then we will use a conventional one. The system will be over unity by the amount of power created by the generator (example a 10 KW generator). We will have real time power not just limited to charging batteries.
This project is full open sourcing. It was inspired by Peter Lindeman's Lockridge Device DVD
The goal is to power houses not duplicate toys over and over and think you are accomplishing something wonderful.
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