Primary battery discharge. Why?

[Nofear]

Bonjour Intactsaphir,
Absolument, pas de problem la non plus. Ca c'est quelque chose d'assez nouveaux, le lien que tu viens de m'envoyer est seulement vieux de deux semaines. Des gens que je reconnais au forum et moi meme sont en train de faire des tests pour savoir comment JB a modifier son circuit pour avoir cet effect la. Tu peux te joindre a la partie.
Tout ca pour dire que je ne sais pas....du moind pour le moment comment recharger ma batteries primaire.
Amicalement
NoFear

Pour Nofear
voici ce que dit J Bedini sur ce lien

http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sg...e-motor-2.html

As I said at the very first conference, ......By doing that you can gain back charging into the primary battery. ...... with a normal generator. John B

Comme je l'ai dit lors de la premiere conference, ..... En faisant cela, vous pouvez regagner de charge dans la batterie principale . ...... generateur normal. John B

Cordialement

[intactsaphir]

Bonjour Nofear.

Nous sommes en accord sur la recharge et/ou le maintient en charge de la batterie primaire.

C'est l'essentiel.

Pour ma part la recharge de la batterie primaire est primordial.





Imaginons le systeme sans la charge de la batterie secondaire.

Imaginons une batterie primaire dechargee, par exemple 11,9 volts , mais qui grace a l'energie rayonnante... se recharge jusqu’a sur 15,5 volts !

Au dessus c’est le soleil !!!


Je ne sais pas si c'est possible, mais cela vaut la peine d'essayer de chercher!!!

John Bedini, par sa longue experience nous a donne quelques elements :

La face nord des aimants a l’exterieur de la roue ;

Le nombre d’aimants sur la roue ;

Le sens horaire de l’enroulement de la bobine ;

Le mode attraction plutot que le mode repulsion;

Les 7 temps de l'analyse du passage de l'aimant sur la bobine:

La liste est a completer…

La question fondamentale reste: COMMENT AMPLIFIER L'ENERGIE RAYONNANTE?
Cette question peut faire partie d'un nouveau post....

http://www.energyscienceforum.com/be...y-charger.html

Cordialement.

PS Une fois, j’ai observe, lorsque le systeme etait en mouvement, une elevation, pendant quelques minutes, de la tension de la batterie primaire….


We agree on charging and / or holding the load of the primary battery.

This is essential.

For me recharge the primary battery is paramount.





Imagine the system without the burden of the secondary battery.

Imagine a primary battery, for example, 11.9 volts, but thanks to the radiant energy ... is charged up to 15.5 volts!

Above is the sun!
*

I do not know if it's possible, but it's worth trying to find!

John Bedini, with its long experience has given us some Elements:

The north face magnets on the outside of the wheel;

The number of magnets on the wheel;

The zone of the winding direction of the coil;

The fashion attraction rather than repulsion mode;

The seven-time analysis of the passage of the magnet on the coil:

The list is a supplement ...

The fundamental question remains: How AMPLIFY THE RADIANT ENERGY?
This question can be part of a new post ....
http://www.energyscienceforum.com/be...y-charger.html

Cordially.

PS Once I observed when the system was in motion, a elevation for a few minutes, the voltage of the primary battery ....

[intactsaphir]

Bonjour à vous.
1,795 vues de ce post au 5/12/13. A contrario peu de conseils, explications innovantes, liens explicatifs. Je suis dans l'expectative.

Je souhaiterais que les experts du forum m'indiquent si oui ou non il n'y a pas de possibilites de maintenir a 100 pour cent la charge de la batterie d'alimentation dans le systeme à 7 transistors.

Merci de repondre.


Hello to you.

1,795 views on this post 5/12/13. Conversely bit of advice, innovative explanations explanatory links. I'm in limbo.

I would like the experts on the forum tell me whether or not there is no possibility of maintaining 100 per 100 charge the battery pack in the system 7 transistors.

Thank you to answer.

[D Rhodes]

Salut,
Intactsaphir, tout n'est pas perdu. J'ai trouvé aujourd'hui avec le circuit condensateur de décharge rattaché au secrétaire général, la batterie principale ne reçoit chargé en même temps que la charge de la seconde batterie. Je vais poster une vidéo sur youtube pour le montrer. Ma machine est rien de spécial ... si quelqu'un avec de meilleurs roulements et une meilleure compétence peut sûrement obtenir de meilleurs résultats!
Dennis
Hi,
Intactsaphir, Don't give up. I have found today that with the capacitor dump circuit attached to the SG, the Primary battery DOES receive charge at the same time as charging the second battery. I am going to post a youtube video to show this. My machine is nothing special at all...so someone with better bearings and better skill can surely get better results!
Dennis

[intactsaphir]

Bonjour a vous
Merci beaucoup Denis de m'avoir repondu. J'attends avec impatience votre video afin de reprendre espoir!!!


Hi
Denis thank you very much for having answered. I look forward to your video to hope again!

[D Rhodes]

No..I was wrong. Sorry! Today I ran a small 6aH battery as Primary, drawing 600mA to run the SG at 1 spike, charging battery a 55aH starter battery, with a 60k/75v cap hooked up through the 5 fet comparator board.
I had thought that the cap was causing the small battery to last longer with maybe some spikes going back to the primary whilst it charged...BUT...
It ran from fully charged down to 12.01v in 2hr23minutes and without the cap dump circuit it ran the exact same time. So the Cap did not assist it at all.
Also the charging was no different with or without the cap. Bit of a flop really.
Sorry.
Dennis

[intactsaphir]

Merci de votre reponse Denis.

Comment poser la question aux specialistes lorsqu'on avance plus...?

Thank you for your reply Denis.


How to ask the specialists when more advance ...?

[Tom C]

No..I was wrong. Sorry! Today I ran a small 6aH battery as Primary, drawing 600mA to run the SG at 1 spike, charging battery a 55aH starter battery, with a 60k/75v cap hooked up through the 5 fet comparator board.
I had thought that the cap was causing the small battery to last longer with maybe some spikes going back to the primary whilst it charged...BUT...
It ran from fully charged down to 12.01v in 2hr23minutes and without the cap dump circuit it ran the exact same time. So the Cap did not assist it at all.
Also the charging was no different with or without the cap. Bit of a flop really.
Sorry.
Dennis

Dennis,

it is really hard to do any kind of true testing with junk batteries, even if they have a consistent discharge curve..... there is just too much "stuff" going on inside, and you never know when the capacity will get worse. did the charge battery voltage climb faster with the cap dump or without?
Tom C

[D Rhodes]

Yes I agree with you Tom. The rate of charge was pretty much the same. It hits the wall at 13.10v and stays there. But I was looking at whether the primary was being helped or not, as our Frenchman is asking. I have conditioned my batteries to radiant, so I did not want to start using them with the Cap pulser. Dennis

[D Rhodes]

I am still pushing on with desulphating a 90aH SLA flooded type of starter battery. I have a 60k cap and a comparator with 5 fets hooked up to the SG. The draw is set at 750mA and the Cap has been dumping 4Amp spikes to the battery. The Charge battery started at 12.73v resting. The charging stops at 13.10v and the primary slowly drops over time. So after depleting one primary I hooked it up in forced charge mode with the diode to negative pole on primary.
The charge battery has increased to 13.27 in 12 hours.
The primary (lead alum 90aH) started at 12.71v resting, which is quite high for these. After 12 hours it is still at 11.95v
I hooked up at meter inline with the primary negative and did not expect to see a pulsed draw from the primary battery? Is that normal?
As the cap dumps and fills, the draw on the primary goes from 750mA up to about 1amp. I thought this kind of draw would lesson the time I get from the primary, but so far it is lasting amazingly well.
Dennis

[D Rhodes]

After 30 hours the primary is still up at 11.68v
I put a meter in between sg and primary negative and 600mA is drawing out.
I put a meter between negative on 60K Cap and neg of primary and 500mA is pulsing in each second.
Blown out by that!
Is that right or am I mixed up.
So 600mA is running the sg which is pulsing 4000mA into Charge battery and another 500mA back into primary!!
far out, someone tell me I am wrong here.
Dennis

[D Rhodes]

wow, that's great Mikey! I just went and turned the draw up a bit more and the return thru the cap to the primary negative increased so that the difference is only 50mA now. 700mA draw and 650mA DC spikes per second coming back into primary negative...whilst also charging second battery with 4amp spikes every second. I haven't been as excited as I am now about this stuff for a long while.

[intactsaphir]

Bonjour a vous !
Merci a Denis et Bromickey de commenter.

@Denis pourriez vous nous joindre un petit schema en ligne pour voir comment vous avez place les instruments de mesure de courant ?

@Bromickey pourriez vous m’indiquer quelle est la formule chimique du produit alun que vous employez?




Hello to you!
Thanks to Denis and Bromickey to comment.
@Denis could you contact us a small diagram online to see how you placed the current measurement instruments?
@Bromickey could you tell me what is the formula of the "alum"chimical product you use?

Regards

[D Rhodes]

Thanks Mikey,
Yeah that's why I am posting, Not sure what is going on?. So by putting a meter in between the negative from cap to negative of primary battery...and another meter in between SG emitters and neg on primary I can see pulsing on the first and the normal draw on the next.
So are you saying that the pulsing I see on the first meter(between cap neg and primary neg) is not coming back into the primary?
I have seen that when I use the cap the primary last a long time, as soon as I take it off and run with only normal sg , charging same battery from same primary and same draw, the primary drains quicker. That is why I assumed that something must be coming back to the primary.
Oh well, it is still intriguing me.
Thanks Mikey!

[D Rhodes]

Thanks Mikey!

sorry but this is in French, not that I speak it, I made it for the French guy.
It is how I have the meters and the set up.
Comparator: The printed board was gifted to me, I just filled it in with parts I bought.
Shall keep fiddling about with my small thing.