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[guyzzemf]

Bob it looks like your splitting what i was doing by duty cycle but i'm not sure why the neos are coming on you are definitely firing the tranes
do neos flash off time ? id have to test if neos flash with back closed [hook to c batt] front open
its time to get out the Buttler my v ssg

[BobZilla]

Ok I made a video to explain what I am talking about, hopefully it will help.

Guy we are starting to mix and mingle two different things. What I am after at the moment is what I first described and hint at in this video.When you showed that other video and described your experiments my ears perked up a bit more but these are separate things. I very much appreciate the info you are giving and I will begin to experiment with the principals you have described though.

Anyway here is the video to explain what I meant about he neons and how I am "pulsing" the primary etc.

https://files.secureserver.net/0shXyHPD0iEF8q

*EDIT*
Guy I wanted to add that I think what you are talking about and what I am talking about are more similar than I let on, after I looked at what you have said. At this point the main difference is I am not trying to fire any transistors on the coast, see that first video you gave introduced me to that idea. So I am trying to strat with my original idea and see how that pans out but what you have shown fits right in with what I'm trying. I just don't want to skip any steps along the way, need to see if my thoughts match up on the bench before I take it to another level.

Thanks again

[guyzzemf]

i think your pulsing off and on and trying collect the the the off time potential ,not sure what you mean about small wheel
the setup i used was mocking what your doing but i had 3 coils off all the time and 1 coil to run. a constant collection of the of the [off] time of those 3 coils .its like what dadhav showed but all mash up in a wheel John drove a small out runner with a window motor
the problem i think i see is that if you are trying to get milti transistors to fire in the off [coast time] the trigger may be weak not getting the full potential of coast time this is why i did a lot testing with just 2 coils 2 trans 1 to run wheel 1 to explore [coast time ] but there is no coast time as wheel is being driven all the time by run coil and 2nd coil has a closed front end [cap or short ]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOldJUHhjnc
guy

[min2oly]

Just a little update:
So I was playing with the new setup with the pulsing primary and I tried it without the cap. I immediately noticed that on the off times my neons were lighting up just a little. It shows me that there is energy there that needs to go somewhere, in other words without the cap to absorb it the neons had to burn it off. I may not have it all figured out as this was just a quick observation but as soon as I put a cap between the primary and the machine with the diode (check valve) they stopped lighting.

I am thinking that I can perhaps setup something along the lines of what Patrick and Guy are talking about with that small wheel I have in the front of the machine. I will work at that later though,for now I am really digging the results I am getting just from the mods I made to the front end.

Thanks again for all the advice...

Hi Bob,
can you describe what you mean... exactly what you are doing when you say you are pulsing the primary.
your neons should not be lighting up.
Thanks,
Patrick

[BobZilla]

Just a little update:
So I was playing with the new setup with the pulsing primary and I tried it without the cap. I immediately noticed that on the off times my neons were lighting up just a little. It shows me that there is energy there that needs to go somewhere, in other words without the cap to absorb it the neons had to burn it off. I may not have it all figured out as this was just a quick observation but as soon as I put a cap between the primary and the machine with the diode (check valve) they stopped lighting.

I am thinking that I can perhaps setup something along the lines of what Patrick and Guy are talking about with that small wheel I have in the front of the machine. I will work at that later though,for now I am really digging the results I am getting just from the mods I made to the front end.

Thanks again for all the advice...

[guyzzemf]

if you have a vanilla ssg an old signal transistor thats where i did most testing as to know what to scale up
by shunting [closing] input you should be able to fire the trane by a spinning wheel by hand the trick is to play with it till
you get most out .i got tired of spinning by hand and added simple ssg drive coil [ at one point to be really stingy on input i ran drive coil
with a bedini/ cole 1/2 wave
it is a magneto kinda
guy
ps the non sp setup works well its seems better than super pole
pss i ck my mail 2 times during your vid it was your cpu

[BobZilla]

Aye,,, sometimes communications get fuzzy. It's kind of like passing notes back in school rather than a real conversation ehh.

All good though. So I hooked my stuff up as described and it is working. I have only had it running a short time but with the micro I can set however. So far I have tried 1 second on, one off,, and half second on, half off,,, basically trying a 50/50 cycle to start out with. I will post some examples after I get a little familiar with it...

[min2oly]

Thanks for the vid Patrick. Yea I know we are talking about two different things, thats why I said I was going to experiment with what I described previously,, pulsing the primary. Iintend to pulse the primary and put a cap ahead of it with a diode between to act as a check valve for the back charge. It's basically a cap dump circuit but instaed of cap dumping I will be primary dumping if you will. The machine will be like the target battery on a regular cap dump and the primary is like the cap.

This other thing will come later.

Yup, that's what I'm talk'n bout :-)
like I mentioned earlier, i've done all that. what I'll find interesting when YOU do it is your use of a microcontroller to regulate the on/off time... find out if there is something that your machine likes. Some other cool effects are what you get with the charging when the power is constantly turned on and off. So there is an optimal point that the charging side will prefer as well.
Always the balance Eh
Patrick

[guyzzemf]

yes sir that is it // the C coils tried to get the magnet to pass as deep in the C as possible

[BobZilla]

Thanks for the vid Patrick. Yea I know we are talking about two different things, thats why I said I was going to experiment with what I described previously,, pulsing the primary. Iintend to pulse the primary and put a cap ahead of it with a diode between to act as a check valve for the back charge. It's basically a cap dump circuit but instaed of cap dumping I will be primary dumping if you will. The machine will be like the target battery on a regular cap dump and the primary is like the cap.

This other thing will come later.

[min2oly]

1.yes
i did it with 2 trigger
1 trigger for 1 v ssg [the driver of wheel]
1 trigger to force fire 3 coils ft end shunted [no bat] the only shared is out up batt
total of 4 trans

between pulses dos not apply as i see it as the drive coil is a separate trigger and you can time 3 force fire coils as you wish
did the trigger a few ways on the 3 = separate or wound with ,it is inductive trigger
my 3 force fire coils were C shape windings[air core] that wrapped around wheel getting as much as i can on south side with out hitting spokes . it had to run a min rpm to fire because no iron core . no iron core to stop drag. the drive coil is a stock ssg

I like this explanation of what you were doing in your vid Guy.

What you were doing and what Dadhav was doing are different than the "back-charging" I describe earlier in this thread however.

what you both were doing was this:

Although I never knew what you were doing until you described it here just now... you found it first with your C shaped coils Dadhav found it because of his T shaped stators.

Bob, you're not going to find that with your setup unless you understand what the 3 of us are doing. Luckily you have us here to ask anything you like.
Cheers,
Patrick

[BobZilla]

1.yes
i did it with 2 trigger
1 trigger for 1 v ssg [the driver of wheel]
1 trigger to force fire 3 coils ft end shunted [no bat] the only shared is out up batt
total of 4 trans

between pulses dos not apply as i see it as the drive coil is a separate trigger and you can time 3 force fire coils as you wish
did the trigger a few ways on the 3 = separate or wound with ,it is inductive trigger
my 3 force fire coils were C shape windings[air core] that wrapped around wheel getting as much as i can on south side with out hitting spokes . it had to run a min rpm to fire because no iron core . no iron core to stop drag. the drive coil is a stock ssg

Excellent! Thanks for sharing this info guy. I am going to start out just getting a pulse system for my primary, something I think I can easily hookup withy FET board. Later I will experiment with the detached coils and the shunting etc..

[BobZilla]

Ok so here is that run I spoke of.

I did two disharge/charge cycles on a little garden battery. The machine was running at about 5A in GEN mode and the discharges were done at 5A as well.

I say it in the video also but keep in mind that 5A is way over a c20 for such a small battery so the meter readings are not very helpful. This was mostly just to show some gen mode action on the machine.

Here are he charts:






And a video:
https://files.secureserver.net/0sRLzIBZefqwar

[guyzzemf]

1.yes
i did it with 2 trigger
1 trigger for 1 v ssg [the driver of wheel]
1 trigger to force fire 3 coils ft end shunted [no bat] the only shared is out up batt
total of 4 trans

between pulses dos not apply as i see it as the drive coil is a separate trigger and you can time 3 force fire coils as you wish
did the trigger a few ways on the 3 = separate or wound with ,it is inductive trigger
my 3 force fire coils were C shape windings[air core] that wrapped around wheel getting as much as i can on south side with out hitting spokes . it had to run a min rpm to fire because no iron core . no iron core to stop drag. the drive coil is a stock ssg

[BobZilla]

Hi Guy,
Thanks for posting that video. So if I am understanding what was being shown that was a normal ssg circuit and the mechanical input was driving everything? So if I were to just put in a pulse drive I could get some output through the circuit simply from the mechanical in between power pulses?

I MUST set this up now to see what happens.

I will be posting a gen mode run as soon as I get the video processed. I did a few runs back to back on a garden battery just to show how the machine handles it. I will be back soon to post that.