BobZilla's Custom Build

[BobZilla]

Hi guys,,

Glad you enjoyed the vids.

Gary that was mode 1. What I am finding out is that these multi-coil setups like to be setup for one mode or another and one voltage or another. I have got the machine to run in every kind of configuration but it takes tinkering with the gap or the advance etc.. I thought when I built it that I would be able to just switch around because on my smaller machines I could quite easily but I think with this one I will have to decide how it should run and then stick with it. Then again I do have 4 more coils on the way so that might change everything.

Patrick I appreciate your mirroring that chart, it doesn't look half bad does it,, I hardly noticed myself. I am going to try and get a run in tonight, a full run so we can really see a good chart. It may not work out because i have to go to work in the morning and if it is sort of close I will not be able to leave it running al day like I did with that last one. Because of the timing involved here I will probably do a fairly hot run like 3A or so against just two on the back. If I can't get a good run to post I will do one on the weekend when I have time to fool with it.

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Bob,

I liked the videos.

Which mode were you running in? I assume it was radiant mode?

[min2oly]

Hi Guy,
Yea the S-Pole had a little to do with it because it gives a short on time and the magnets themselves have such a narrow field. I think basically when lined up perfectly it is just pulling down on it rather than from the side so it wouldn't create much spin that way. The wheel is pretty heavy when you consider not only the aluminum but 16 magnets and the axle as well.

Maybe I wasn't clear in the video but it does run on 12V after I made that advance, it just would not run when all lined up. It runs much better on 24v though. It will probably take me months to figure out how to run this machine the best. I have thought about bringing that advance back a bit because the24v doesn't need it as much.

Those coil holders are TeslaGenX, just painted them black. I like the natural wood but on this machine It thought it would look nice to have a black and white contrast.

By the way a HUGE THANK YOU to Tom and Erik for all of their help. The machine's frame is my own design but the boards and coils are all standard TeslaGenX.

Hi Bob,
that is pretty cool:

I like it! I didn't appreciate the "curve" as much until I clicked back and forth and overlapped them.
KR - Patrick A

PS - I like the long videos... either way - thanks for sharing

[BobZilla]

Hi Guy,
Yea the S-Pole had a little to do with it because it gives a short on time and the magnets themselves have such a narrow field. I think basically when lined up perfectly it is just pulling down on it rather than from the side so it wouldn't create much spin that way. The wheel is pretty heavy when you consider not only the aluminum but 16 magnets and the axle as well.

Maybe I wasn't clear in the video but it does run on 12V after I made that advance, it just would not run when all lined up. It runs much better on 24v though. It will probably take me months to figure out how to run this machine the best. I have thought about bringing that advance back a bit because the24v doesn't need it as much.

Those coil holders are TeslaGenX, just painted them black. I like the natural wood but on this machine It thought it would look nice to have a black and white contrast.

By the way a HUGE THANK YOU to Tom and Erik for all of their help. The machine's frame is my own design but the boards and coils are all standard TeslaGenX.

[guyzzemf]

do you think that the reason it didnt want to run at 12v is its a superpole
i never could get my head around the large wood coil frames especially the wood on top of the coil
guy



o ok i see the wood coil holders are inset

id never leave a ssg running unattended

nice job looks good

[BobZilla]

Aye,

So I have some video for anyone who wants to watch. Just a brief description and heads up,, this is not a full charge which is what I typically film. This is just running the machine at a few inputs current wise. I had 4 large batteries on the back and two on the front setup in 24v both sides.

Hmm I have the charts from this that I was going to post but the forum is not letting me at the moment, I may come back and edit later to include them.

The video is about a half hour in two parts. It's nothing special really but I just wanted to show how the thing is running for those who are interested in it.

Part1
https://files.secureserver.net/0sWfr4k6MAToDq

Part2
https://files.secureserver.net/0srn3jeJIAWXKM

[Tom C]

as you go Thru the DVD's you see different ways of harvesting the pulse, using tesla nodes. using low lenz generators, using common ground mode, using branch cicuits on the output with a common ground. using solar to power the primary. using cap dumps, using faster diodes, using other means of triggering. each item is a way to extract more from the work being done in the coil.

Tom C

[AlvaroHN]

@Patrick,


I am discovering a few things about this pulse technology... its about Tesla, and his potential switching, getting things out of the coil thru the pulse. so I am trying to do as much as I can to maximize the potential of the pulse. I still think we have a long way to go to get it fully realized.

Tom C

Tom, can you elaborate on this please?

Alvaro

[Tom C]

I was not talking about loss of electrolyte but of loss of plate material. capacity only goes down in a battery because of a few things, the 2 biggest culprits are sulphations and plate material dropping off into the bottom of the battery.

Tom C

[BobZilla]

There may be something to it but let me play devils advocate a second...

I think there are other factors to consider. Over charging can do the same thing, loss of electrolyte, if you use back end charged batteries on the front over and over just rotating them you will get this effect.

I can't help but think of Patrick with his huge bank he has had in operation for years now running his lighting for his house. I also have broken the rules for a long time,, everyone says NO AGM'S! but guess what,, I have been using them for three years now without a problem.

Anyway I am not saying it is not true but I don't accept it as fact.

James you also were flipping back and fourth between your dumper and mode one quite a bit weren't you? There is always a loss of charge when switching from one mode to another no matter which way you are going it takes a few cycles to re condition for whichever mode.

Now with all that said I think mode one is great for maintenance but gen mode is much better for everyday charging.

Wasn't Yaro using a AC supply on his experiments too?

[Branch Gordon]

Interesting. I hadn't come across that tidbit before. I was planning on mode 1'ing these golf cart batteries of mine indefinitely, and using the solar tracker to charge a couple primaries. I will have to watch my charts close and see if I encounter the same behavior.

[jelloir]

Yaro noted that pulse charging without pure DC charging will actually destroy the batteries over a long period of time. his battery capacity went down after a huge number of cycles. with that in mind I have changed my battery protocol. when the capacity stops increasing in the battery after a few cycles I know it is ready to be returned to service. the first thing to do is run it on a 10A12 charger, which is the linear reg technology, and set to 15.3 for fully charged. a few cycles and it is back to running like a normal battery, the first few cycles it really does not like the charge style.

I am only saying this because this factor can affect what we are all seeing in our cycle testing. I have yet to go back and test this battery back on pulse charging to see if its capacity can be increased again. but it is on the list

This is very interesting to me because I'm seeing exactly this behavior with the new batteries I bought for COP testing. One of these batteries would have been put through over 300 radiant cycles typically just taking 1 amp hour and charging again. I was thinking the batteries I had were just garbage but now I'm not so sure. It's capacity is no-where near as good as when it was under 100 cycles. I have Calcium Lead Acid batteries and research suggests that the calcium makes the plates more brittle which I suppose if your hitting with a radiant spike may not be up to task. There was also suggestion they take longer to charge which would affect COP.

[Tom C]

@Patrick,

I am telling you only what was given me, so from the very beginning I have built a certain way. matched trannies, matched coils, big wire to the batteries, matched magnets, never matched the number of rods!! for solid state shottky diodes too. my biggest problem has always been timing, getting the coils to line up so they fire at exactly the same time. I had a lot of trouble with this at first as my problem was accurate magnet spacing. I am really glad you are building Patrick we all have things to share do not stop. and you are right it is in the battery. there are other factors here also when it comes to Charging... there are probably a ton of things I am still not doing right, and I can honestly say I have not tested it any other way than how it was shown to me to do it.

I will go back and watch number 2 again....

Yaro noted that pulse charging without pure DC charging will actually destroy the batteries over a long period of time. his battery capacity went down after a huge number of cycles. with that in mind I have changed my battery protocol. when the capacity stops increasing in the battery after a few cycles I know it is ready to be returned to service. the first thing to do is run it on a 10A12 charger, which is the linear reg technology, and set to 15.3 for fully charged. a few cycles and it is back to running like a normal battery, the first few cycles it really does not like the charge style.

I am only saying this because this factor can affect what we are all seeing in our cycle testing. I have yet to go back and test this battery back on pulse charging to see if its capacity can be increased again. but it is on the list

@Guy,

you are right the slaves can be off the bench but they need the core in them otherwise they don't run the same. I will say Based on John's work there is an additive effect of the magnet core interaction in the core. the bloch wall in the coil is enhanced by the core flip, this is just theory I have not run any test to prove this theory, and I am not sure I can.


I am discovering a few things about this pulse technology... its about Tesla, and his potential switching, getting things out of the coil thru the pulse. so I am trying to do as much as I can to maximize the potential of the pulse. I still think we have a long way to go to get it fully realized.

Tom C

[guyzzemf]

no no PAT any multi coil you know the slave coils fire off master [or trigger of choice] they don't care if there where they are ,they could sit on the table
besides adding rpm ,slaves let you get higher rpm/less input [to a point] i don't have o scope but i don't see how a scope would help you on coil alignment even a dual trace . the only reason i know there is 114 core rods is i cut all by hand
the reason for 16 mag no 28 in rim is to have a good spacing for the scalar field between magnets [
built to run a 1/2 amp a coil near 120-130 ma a trane
i had a question on how long a tran will last well i have that answer [long time]
my 4c i run it at least 4-6 days a month. the tranes only fired open a few times
i cant say what bata match tranes would do but i used them id sure make everything else =
i spent more time on on magnet spacing it has a huge effect i=.im sure it effects the sharp off
magnets to close =not a clean off need O scope to confirm

[BobZilla]

Well for what it's worth I got the damm thing running again. I put unmatched transistors in the two boards that were broke. I do not know this machine well enough to know if it makes a difference or not.

So Patrick,, don't get frustered man. You do great work and it would be a shame if you do not pursue whatever you are up too. I have learned a lot from your videos and posts and I value your opinion very much.

I will be honest about it on another machine I did not notice any difference either but it was a much smaller build. I can see both sides of it, the matching makes sense on paper/theory but you are absolutely right in that there are so many other freaking factors involved it may be impossible to actually get a perfect unison. I mean cmon, who hasn't put regular in the tank when your supposed to use super Lol ..