Why not shown how to charge one battery with the other at the offical Bedini forum?

[min2oly]

That was MY point LOL.

Hi Hobby,
i gree with your point，Patrick'video cant verify anything，a charged battery will stay above 13v，but his down 12.8v and will continue ，this phenomena from my and others‘ experiments have been seen many times。i buy 8 transistor kits and large comparator from teslagenx，i only get a 2:1 charge until now。now i test john koom’s tesla switch with sg and get a better result than original ssg。

[forelle]

Hi all
This thread is not for me to prove that this technology works or not.Its for all people which are not convinced till now.I thought we would like to spread this all over the world,but how should i convince me friends when i dont have a proove how its done.Of course i can show them JB DVD and after they ask "is he the only one who can do that?"and i have to say i dont know.
I have 6 brand new flooded lead acid batteries each 9AH and each one is in 10 minutes at 16V and in the half time down,but i think i know what i have to change.
Onesmore,this thread is not for me and how i have to build the SG.
For me its very hard to understand why Teslagenex who are selling these products dont have a video where they show the "essence"(thats for me and all i know to charge one battery with the other fully with a left over) of there products have like every company in the world does if you want to sell something and more important to spread something.Also i dont understand when JB says "the important thing is to charge 4 batteries with one"like he does in the superpole bikewheel thread and i am in a position like J.Koorn that JB takes his time and talks with me that nothing happens and J.Koorn does like this dont happen. Maybe i understood somthing wrong and its really only for experimenters and to early for the rest of the world.

[Gary Hammond]

Hi hobbyrobotic,

Like I promised, I took a voltage reading an hour after discharging the 1 AH. (I actually went 3 minutes over the hour at one amp for a total of 1.05 AH discharge because I wasn't watching the clock close enough ) The voltage reading was 12.50 volts and climbing. I'll check it again mid morning tomorrow which will be about the same rest time as it was after the first one AH discharge. It will probably recover more over night like it did before.

[Gary Hammond]

Hi hobbyrobotic,

Hello Bob,Patrick,Gary and all,

..........................................@GaryHam mond
thank you for your detailed report, your description step by step is good for understanding by me, but you have not done the last decisive step.You have to discharge now the charge battery again of 1Ah and look at the meter after 1hour.Can you read 12.58 volts now?

If so,post a video showing these simple procedure you will be forelle's TOP STAR and the winner of this thread

Happy experimenting !

(more than 2h now after beginning writing)

I have been out of town ever since I posted my test results, until a short while ago. I just now started a one amp discharge as you requested at 7:30 PM here (central standard time, USA). I will stop it in exactly one hour and then let it rest for another hour and report the resting voltage as you have requested. It was resting at 12.69 volts at the start of this discharge having fallen from the 12.80 volt reading an hour after the reported charging. 12.69 is it's normal fully charged resting voltage after four or five hours of rest for this particular battery.

I don't usually post videos, only pictures. I was going to post pictures of the recorded charge curve, but the battery in my old camera was dead and my wife was ready to leave town at the time.

I'm not interested in "TOP STAR" or "winner of this thread". I'm only interested in sharing the results of my new ssg. I have performed this exact same test several times with my "second build" ssg in the past, and it always took 40 minutes at 2.0 amps from the primary batteries to recharge the one AH previously withdrawn from the charge battery. That equals 1.3333 AH to replace 1.0 AH for a cop of 0.75 . This was even with out the fans, as it was only turning a 26" bike wheel at smaller extra load.

[min2oly]

English or German,
it does not matter the little nuances for which I notice in your writing you seem to catch on very well (this is a compliment). your basic theme, however, is to question or accuse people of either being too dumb to understand what they are doing, or outright lying about their findings.

No one is demanding you believe anything. I could care less. If you do not believe, simply skip the message. there is no need to reply to it. There is no reason to demand someone post a video to prove anything to you. Spend your time experimenting and reading posts that you feel are helpful to you.

Everything else is wasted energy. Keep focused on your experiments. Share your findings and ask for help.

Hello Bob,Patrick,Gary and all,


sorry, i think I was missunderstood. First of all I want to clarify that English is not my mother language. And here in this forum are a lot of members who have problems with reading and understanding what is spoken or written, because of their foreing nationality. This is a fact that seems to be ignored by a lot of the english speaking members here. Some of the foreing members here are lost without a translator software. But everyone who had tried such translators knows that the translation is often funny or nonsense.
Now it would be easy to say "get out here and go to learn English and come back and let us talk". I think there is a better way. Let us keep in mind that we are big comunity of the same interest and not only english speaking members. So what I want to say is: I am sitting here now since 35minutes for writing this few words and that's why I do not post long text in the forum. When i watch the videos postet here, I do this not only once,sometimes i need more than 3 times for understanding.
So missunderstanding can easily happen.

For example @Patrick:
"show me the money, show me the gold, sell me one that works off the shelf."
"dung works on flies try a little honey next time"

I dont know what he want to say....

@BobZilla
I dont know from where you got the idea that I am thinking "it's all BullSh*t" as you mentioned? Dont you see that this thread expects the answer for the question "why not shown ...battery with the other.."
and if a video is postet from a member,it is expected as an answer to the question. But Patricks video isnt. It shows voltages over batteries like thousands other videos do. I have an old starter batterie and i can show you a similar video where the voltage goes from 12.6V to 16.5V after 5 minutes, recharged from my smallest SSG driven by a 12V/1.2AH primary battery on 50 milliamps. Wow! what a COP. But after half an hour the big battery is sitting back at 12.6V.
And if connect a little 2watt lightbulb the meter reads 10.4V.
Oh by the way,I began my "overnight learning" of Bedini stuff 30 months ago (and simultaneously
the slang of the electronics in this forum)

@GaryHammond
thank you for your detailed report, your description step by step is good for understanding by me, but you have not done the last decisive step.You have to discharge now the charge battery again of 1Ah and look at the meter after 1hour.Can you read 12.58 volts now?

If so,post a video showing these simple procedure you will be forelle's TOP STAR and the winner of this thread

Happy experimenting !

(more than 2h now after beginning writing)

[BobZilla]

Hi Hobby,
You are right about the language barrier and I sometimes forget not everyone is speaking/writing English.

I have an old starter batterie and i can show you a similar video where the voltage goes from 12.6V to 16.5V after 5 minutes, recharged from my smallest SSG driven by a 12V/1.2AH primary battery on 50 milliamps. Wow! what a COP. But after half an hour the big battery is sitting back at 12.6V.

I will tell you exactly what is wrong with that. You have a HEAVILY sulphated battery, plain and simple. The fact that it will hit 16V tells me all cells are probably salvageable but you have such dirty plates that you have no capacity. If you start a conditioning cycle program on that you can probably fix it and that speaks directly to my point.

[Ed_Morbus]

Thanks for info Patrick

[hobbyrobotik]

Hello Bob,Patrick,Gary and all,


sorry, i think I was missunderstood. First of all I want to clarify that English is not my mother language. And here in this forum are a lot of members who have problems with reading and understanding what is spoken or written, because of their foreing nationality. This is a fact that seems to be ignored by a lot of the english speaking members here. Some of the foreing members here are lost without a translator software. But everyone who had tried such translators knows that the translation is often funny or nonsense.
Now it would be easy to say "get out here and go to learn English and come back and let us talk". I think there is a better way. Let us keep in mind that we are big comunity of the same interest and not only english speaking members. So what I want to say is: I am sitting here now since 35minutes for writing this few words and that's why I do not post long text in the forum. When i watch the videos postet here, I do this not only once,sometimes i need more than 3 times for understanding.
So missunderstanding can easily happen.

For example @Patrick:
"show me the money, show me the gold, sell me one that works off the shelf."
"dung works on flies try a little honey next time"

I dont know what he want to say....

@BobZilla
I dont know from where you got the idea that I am thinking "it's all BullSh*t" as you mentioned? Dont you see that this thread expects the answer for the question "why not shown ...battery with the other.."
and if a video is postet from a member,it is expected as an answer to the question. But Patricks video isnt. It shows voltages over batteries like thousands other videos do. I have an old starter batterie and i can show you a similar video where the voltage goes from 12.6V to 16.5V after 5 minutes, recharged from my smallest SSG driven by a 12V/1.2AH primary battery on 50 milliamps. Wow! what a COP. But after half an hour the big battery is sitting back at 12.6V.
And if connect a little 2watt lightbulb the meter reads 10.4V.
Oh by the way,I began my "overnight learning" of Bedini stuff 30 months ago (and simultaneously
the slang of the electronics in this forum)

@GaryHammond
thank you for your detailed report, your description step by step is good for understanding by me, but you have not done the last decisive step.You have to discharge now the charge battery again of 1Ah and look at the meter after 1hour.Can you read 12.58 volts now?

If so,post a video showing these simple procedure you will be forelle's TOP STAR and the winner of this thread

Happy experimenting !

(more than 2h now after beginning writing)

[Gary Hammond]

Hi forelle & hobbyrobotic,

I just got my third ssg put together last night. The first one was a poor design kit from Rick. The second one I made from scratch with a five filar 18 AWG coil and 26" bike wheel with 18 magnets. It performend fairly well, but never acheived 1 to 1 charging. Not even in generator mode running in attraction.

The one I just finished uses a 26" bike wheel with 21 magnets and consists of an eight filar coil from Teslagenx (seven 20AWG and one 23 AWG winds @130 feet). It also uses the transistor kit and circuit board from Teslagenx. I have two fans mounted on the wheel, just like in videos #33 and #34. My primary battery is two lawn and garden batteries in parallel which have been abused for over three years and somewhat improved with a 1AU Tesla Charger. The charge battery is a nearly four year old lawn and garden battery that has only been charged on the ssg machines.

After initial testing and setting the air gap last night the charge battery was completly charged and the primary batteries were down a little, so I took 1 AH (one amp for one hour) out of the charge battery and put the primaries on the 1AU charger overnight. This morning the primaries were sitting at 13.08 volts and the charge battery was sitting at 12.58 volts. I hooked up the ssg in generator mode while logging the charge on my CBA III analyser. The current draw on the primaries according to my analog ammeter was 1.6 amps for 29 minutes. The run voltage on the primaries started at 12.54 volts and only dropped to 12.52 volts during the run. The charge battey went to 16.0 volts, fully recharged in that 29 minutes. One hour after the end of the run, the primaries had recovered to a standing voltage of 12.87 and the charge battery was resting at 12.81 volts. (The charge battery always sits a little lower the primaries when fully charged).

So 1 AH down on the charge battery and it was recharged by .8 AH from the primaries. That's a COP of 1.25 and doesn't even include the energy used by the wheel and two fans!!

[min2oly]

Hi Ed,
I purchased two of these, years ago. The first one I put together, I accidentally glued the souths out. When I realized this a purchased the second. It's been very handy to have 2. Come to find out, south out lit up the neons brilliantly compared to the N. If you have N out on yours, you can also switch the wires so they attract the north instead of repel.
Patrick A

Patrick why you use south pole magnets
time 3.16 (the rotor south out)

[min2oly]

Hi Mr. Robotik,
show me the money, show me the gold, sell me one that works off the shelf. Maybe someone someday somewhere will pop out and do it. not for me, and for now, this will do.

There R many video's out there "proving" OU devices - ie - I'll never "prove" anything in a vid. my hope with this one was that anyone w/ this same rotor (there must be a couple hundred at least) can replicate w/ a couple dollars of added wire.

Also, no, you make the same mistake many do. The batteries I show are not fully charged at that voltage. They like to rest much higher. I show this in other vids, no I do not expect all to go back and watch.

If you studied this stuff you would know joules in VS joules out SHOULD be very large to very small, that is not where the increase comes.... I guess that depends where you measure the joules out - if you measure them from the charge battery output, that is where you will see the increase. John K's latest Super Pole wheel vid comes very close to being able to prove it. I wish it was easy to prove in a video. I'm not there... yet. Good luck with Ur experiments.
dung works on flies try a little honey next time

Hi Patrick,

nice video! but two questions: What makes it meaningful to charge a fully charged battery? And of what you recognize a COP 1 to 1 here?
Such videos do not prove anything. Let us know the Joues in vs Joules out. Nothing else matters.

have a nice day everyboby

[BobZilla]

I don't want to speak for Patrick but Hobby did you miss the fact that Patrick said these batteries were the wrong size. He is probably running those poor little things at like a C5 or less so of course he cannot do a full run.

Anyone with a trained eye can understand what he is showing and knows where it leads under the right circumstance. If you think it's all BullSh*t than perhaps you should just move on. You do not learn this overnight and nobody can just hand it to you on a plate, it takes a lot of time experimenting. I understand your frustration but it is not for everyone.

*Edit*
I would also add something for you guys to think about. Even if you cannot achieve a 1 to 1 charge who cares. By using this technology you will prolong your battery life many times over due to the desulphation that occurs. Think of the gain over time when you can use a battery for 10 -15 years instead of 3 -5 because no matter if you get 100, 80, 60 percent efficiency your batteries will be performing better and lasting longer. Not to mention that you can salvage other peoples throw away and put them back into service.

[hobbyrobotik]

Hi Patrick,

nice video! but two questions: What makes it meaningful to charge a fully charged battery? And of what you recognize a COP 1 to 1 here?
Such videos do not prove anything. Let us know the Joues in vs Joules out. Nothing else matters.

have a nice day everyboby

[Ed_Morbus]

Patrick why you use south pole magnets
time 3.16 (the rotor south out)

[John_Koorn]

1 to 1 is easy.
even this does better than 1:1
...snip...
plenty of people getting 1:1 on this forum and others.

Nice work Patrick! Thanks for sharing

John K.