Why not shown how to charge one battery with the other at the offical Bedini forum?

[Tom C]

Hi Tom
The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.
Still no answer.

I wanted to answer this one separately because a tuned SG will do 1 to 1, that is why I answered you the way I did. I cannot say anything else, no magic. I don't know why you are not getting good charging.

Tom C

[Tom C]

@Patrick,

nice work Patrick!

@forelle,
He has just shown you "one way" to do it, there are many more. Patrick is not a moderator, has no secret "knowledge" just has done his homework. go and replicate.

Tom C

[min2oly]

1 to 1 is easy.
even this does better than 1:1

plenty of people getting 1:1 on this forum and others.

Hi Tom
The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"

I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.

[forelle]

Hi Tom
The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.
Still no answer.

[forelle]

Hey Brodie, I am no specialist but what you are doing appears to deserve a bit of photos and schematics here. Please share this with us
If that's incredible stuff, take off the suit, put on a professor suit, and describe this.
Thank you !

Hi Bung-ee and Brodie
If you are not interessted in my question, please open an other thread,that has nothing to do with this one.
Thanks

[Bung-ee]

Hey Brodie, I am no specialist but what you are doing appears to deserve a bit of photos and schematics here. Please share this with us
If that's incredible stuff, take off the suit, put on a professor suit, and describe this.
Thank you !

[forelle]

[QUOTE=Tom C;13135]Forelle,

we are selling John's specc'd circuit, spec'd coil, spec'd magnets... no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.... you can build it all without buying one thing from anyone. John does not say anything because he has shown you how to do it. if you are killing batteries you are doing it wrong!! if you build just like the book says it will do 1 to 1 plus the work of spinning the wheel which is added to the calculations as work.

on another thread Branch went from 5 batteries to 2 batteries and all he did was change wire size on his batteries.

so here it is again:

21 magnets
26 inch bike wheel
free spin time above 8 minutes
130 ft 9 filar coil 8 20 gauge 1 23 gauge wound in attraction mode
R60 core 3/4 inch diameter
mjl 21194 transistors beta matched
470 ohm base resistors
12 ohm final resistor
1n4007 diodes
neon across the e/c

you can change current draw by changing coil gap, base resistance or number of magnets. current draw must be at C20 rate for your primary. a 5 amp HR battery will NOT work for a bike wheel that pulls 2 amps from the primary, it will kill your battery....
Big short cables to and from your battery 12 gauge minimum
New Good Batteries not junkyard... flooded lead acid

charge your primary after every run.

not sure how else I can help...... I don't know why you are killing batteries... I only kill them when I abuse them, and I have killed quite a few.

Tom C






The SG does not kill batteries. please post pictures of your build, the batteries you are using, etc....[/Q

Hi Tom
The question was not "please help me i dont know how to build an Sg"
The question is "Why nobody shows how to charge the secondary battery with the primary and has a bit left over in the official bedini forum"
Like Jb showed in DVD33 when he puts out 1 Amp and charged it then fully in short time without draining the primary.
There are so many videos about all kinds of stuff and not a single one about the goal of this hole forum.
JB said to John Koorn in the Superpole Bikewheel thread"The most important thing is you can charge 4 batteries for one input"
That was at the beginning of the thread and is now more than one year ago.Why dont you show JB how you do this?I am asking not for 4 batteries only for one.
I dont know how many members this forum has,but am i the only one who want to see how charging 1 to 1 battery?
This has nothing to do with me and why i can not do it,i know what i have to change and then i look further.
When you say you are not allowed to show charging 1-1 then i have to take it,but then we are more or less lost and i stop asking.

[forelle]

Forelle,

we are selling John's specc'd circuit, spec'd coil, spec'd magnets... no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.... you can build it all without buying one thing from anyone. John does not say anything because he has shown you how to do it. if you are killing batteries you are doing it wrong!! if you build just like the book says it will do 1 to 1 plus the work of spinning the wheel which is added to the calculations as work.

on another thread Branch went from 5 batteries to 2 batteries and all he did was change wire size on his batteries.

so here it is again:

21 magnets
26 inch bike wheel
free spin time above 8 minutes
130 ft 9 filar coil 8 20 gauge 1 23 gauge wound in attraction mode
R60 core 3/4 inch diameter
mjl 21194 transistors beta matched
470 ohm base resistors
12 ohm final resistor
1n4007 diodes
neon across the e/c

you can change current draw by changing coil gap, base resistance or number of magnets. current draw must be at C20 rate for your primary. a 5 amp HR battery will NOT work for a bike wheel that pulls 2 amps from the primary, it will kill your battery....
Big short cables to and from your battery 12 gauge minimum
New Good Batteries not junkyard... flooded lead acid

charge your primary after every run.

not sure how else I can help...... I don't know why you are killing batteries... I only kill them when I abuse them, and I have killed quite a few.

Tom C






The SG does not kill batteries. please post pictures of your build, the batteries you are using, etc....

Hi Tom
I have allways used C20 and my coil is 7xAWG 19 and 1xAWG22 and the wheel is 22" and has 18 magnets.When i killed the batteries my coil had 8xAWG 18.I have to built it exactly like JB has but i thought the coil is 7xAWG20 and 1xAWG 23?And the wheel in the SG book is 20" and has 24 magnets?What i will say is that it looks like it has to have not so exactly these numbers I have tried several different numbers of magnets and the only diffrence i saw was the more magnets more primary ampdraw.And a questiion to the speed:Normaly we shall adjust it for the lowest ampdraw and fastest speed but this also means the badest charging.I adjust the the baseresistance so that it beginns to switch twice per mag and then turn it a little back for one pulse per mag thats with 470 ohm and the pot at ca.10ohm,the charging is directly related to the primary ampdraw,is that right?I have two 22Ah in parallel and two 14AH.
But the question is still not answered.

[hobbyrobotik]

This is a very impressive schematic..TESLA SWITCH .
Rgds,
Faraday88.

Hi Faraday,

sorry if you think this is new. The whole technology you are reading about in this forum is basicly a TESLA SWITCH.

But you are right, the schematic is impressive. I have build exactly the same circuit about 10 month ago. And I used
4 batteries 1.2AH each with 0.05 amps drawn. 2 batteries in parallel to recharge from 11.8V to 14.5V. 6 days after with
recharging the primary inbetween, the paralleled charge batteries reached 14.5 Volts.
So as result I got 2 batteries recharged from 4 primary (2 times fully charged) batteries. I repeated the procedure 5 times,
allways same primary and secondary batteries. But allways the same result, so i gave it up.

If Brodie will succeed with better results and maybe able to reach a 100 percent ratio, I would be very surprised and grateful
for sharing his methods or practices with us.

have a good time

[Tom C]

Forelle,

we are selling John's specc'd circuit, spec'd coil, spec'd magnets... no one is forcing anyone to buy anything.... you can build it all without buying one thing from anyone. John does not say anything because he has shown you how to do it. if you are killing batteries you are doing it wrong!! if you build just like the book says it will do 1 to 1 plus the work of spinning the wheel which is added to the calculations as work.

on another thread Branch went from 5 batteries to 2 batteries and all he did was change wire size on his batteries.

so here it is again:

21 magnets
26 inch bike wheel
free spin time above 8 minutes
130 ft 9 filar coil 8 20 gauge 1 23 gauge wound in attraction mode
R60 core 3/4 inch diameter
mjl 21194 transistors beta matched
470 ohm base resistors
12 ohm final resistor
1n4007 diodes
neon across the e/c

you can change current draw by changing coil gap, base resistance or number of magnets. current draw must be at C20 rate for your primary. a 5 amp HR battery will NOT work for a bike wheel that pulls 2 amps from the primary, it will kill your battery....
Big short cables to and from your battery 12 gauge minimum
New Good Batteries not junkyard... flooded lead acid

charge your primary after every run.

not sure how else I can help...... I don't know why you are killing batteries... I only kill them when I abuse them, and I have killed quite a few.

Tom C






The SG does not kill batteries. please post pictures of your build, the batteries you are using, etc....

[forelle]

build to spec, use good batteries...

then:


you have to do it for yourself because no one can do it for you. Patrick has shown how to do it several times over..... if you cannot do it no one is going to build you an overunity power supply, but you can buy a solar panel or a wind turbine which is 100% overunity. you can use that to power your primary and amplify it with the SG. then you can make mods that will increase your cop.

build one of RS's cap pulser units. try min2oly's bridge rectifier mods, work with impulse charging using a tesla node...... back pop the primary using mechanical or a reed switch with a little genny coil, put a node on the trigger winding, the possibilities are endless.


Tom C

I know i have to do it for myself,but the question was "why not shown how a secondary battery can be recharged "fully or more than" from a primary battery of same capacity on the offical Bedini forum?"I have to ad of course with a loadtest.
I have been gone thru Patricks videos but cant find what i was looking for.I know the possibilities are endless,to endless.But i dont want to experiment on a technology thats long established.I have the SG books and the video and it sounds that you want to say that this is not the way to charge one with the other?Allways after i have killed an other battery or charged one battery only a 1/3 with the other than i remember the TUV test JB made where he charged 12 batteries from one with off the shelf batteries.For what we need solar or wind?You are selling all this stuff,i would like to show my friends what JB invented but do you realy mean one off them is buying a bikewheel for experimenting?They ask "is it working or not" and i have to say i dont know.
JB says in the video 33 he dont understand why people have so much trouble to charge one battery with the other,i also dont know why.
He says before we make any modifications we should get it running like he has and thats what i do.
This conversation is so useless than 90percent here.If the administrators are not able to show it for all others(has nothing to do with me,i know every setup is diffrent,but not so much)than they dont know how to do it.
I dont understand that JB dont say anything to this,if it would be my forum where i want to spread my technology,i would look that i show it at least one time how its done.

[Brodie Gwilliam]

ive still only done a couple runs but the results have been good....the best ive seen...... charged a 650CCA battery with 2 small 8ah, then swapped and charged the 8ah batts back up in no time

right now im trying to charge 2 650CCA vehicle batteries right now from the 2 small 8ah gel batteries in series....
well see how it goes....(one battery isnt taking the charge so well and it might be a long process)
id love to see other people try this and post their results... i plan to post more detailed results once i get more batteries used to this charging.....

[forelle]

Hi forelle,

thank you for this question to the members here. Everyone here in the ESF can show you that a battery driven Bedini SSG can recharge another battery.
You can watch lots of videos showing meters connected to the charge battery reading rising voltages.
I think your precise question is:

...how a secondary battery can be recharged "fully or more than" from a primary battery of same capacity?

My answer is: I cannot confirm a 1:1 recharging since over 2 years experimenting with Bedini Technology. I did tests with various setups
and a lot of different battery sizes and types of lead acid or calcium. I killed a lot of them, but I also successfully rejuvenated some
old batteries from the junk yard or dismantled UPS.
Sometimes it looked like a overunity recharge of the secondary battery, but after applying a load, the voltage went rapidly down in a
third of the charging time. I spent hundrets of hours to study the behaviour of the batteries in different conditions while used as primary
or secondary and radiant (single diode) or capacitor current pulsed (capdump) manner.
My best results I got with little 1,2 AH /12V radiant charged by a bifilar coil, 3" rotor SSG - was 87 percent after ~30 cycles.

If somebody here in the forum can do a COP>1 recharging on his batteries, he(she) won't not need solar panels or wind
turbines. I would like to ask Mr. John Bedini, why do I (You) need a solar tracker, where the batteries
connected to an SG/SSG are the energy source (radiant energy converters)?

If there is a COP>1 a selfrunner must be possible to build. I would place a selfrunner model in my living room, for showing
every visitor or guest to see an example for what I am working on.

Is someone here in the forum who can show us such a model?

have all fun anyway

Hi Hobbyrobotik
Thanks ,this is the right question.

[Tom C]

Brodie please tell us a bit more about your experiments, what is the amp hr capacity of your primary at 24 volts and how many secondaries?

Tom C

[Faraday88]

This is a very impressive schematic..TESLA SWITCH .
Rgds,
Faraday88.