Looking to add a second coil, but not sure how or where in the circuit

[itunesdan]

Hey everyone,

After much headache and frustration, I finally got my first wheel up and running correctly. Following the Daftman Bedini SSG Circuit diagram, I have the circuit put together on a 20-contact barrier strip to keep it clean and low profile. Ill add some photos later tonight hopefully when I get home.

I am using a 12V 5ah battery as the source, and a scrapped APC 12V ?ah battery for the destination. I am looking to possibly add a second coil onto the wheel, but am uncertain what kind of specs it requires; and I havent quite figured out how to add an addition to the circuit to support this. I've looked for weeks now on Google, but I find it to be a bit overwhelming and quite confusing. If anyone can give me some insight on the technical side for the next coil, it would be greatly appreciated.

It would probably be helpful to change out the current potentiometer that I have in the future, but for the time being, it's working, and I wouldnt mind keeping it that way until I understand what is going on better.

Thanks,
Dan

[itunesdan]

Here's a pic of the barrier circuit

[RS_]

Hi,

It would be easyer to make a SSG coil with 5 strands, 1 trigger and 4 transistors, than add a 2nd coil that triggers at the same time as the 1st coil, because of coil alignment issues.

Once you get the hang of a muilti strand coil circuit, than adding a 2nd coil that triggers from the first coil, will be much easier to understand.....

[itunesdan]

RS,

Thank you for the response. I think for my particular instance, making a multi strand coil would not be 'easier' -- I would ultimately have to undo the coil I have, re-wind it, and I have caught enough grief from the Mrs. for this project as is; so a coil rebuild is almost of of the question, especially since I think I would end up having to buy another spool of wire to get the multiple strands on a single core.

That aside, from what I am gathering, the secondary, tertiary, etc. coils are used to repel the magnets and gather the collapsing field after the pass. But, what I see, is they all share the same buses, which look to work at the same time, and not offset. I am curious what the purpose of this is... it doesnt seem to me, to make much sense. Is this the case?

Thanks,
Dan

[RS_]

on a muliti Strand, muilti Coil SSG, you want all strands on all coils to fire at the same time, so that the Spike from all strands is multiplied by how many strands there are on the muilti coils....

if you are doing genny coils, that is a different thing......

[itunesdan]

on a muliti Strand, muilti Coil SSG, you want all strands on all coils to fire at the same time, so that the Spike from all strands is multiplied by how many strands there are on the muilti coils....

if you are doing genny coils, that is a different thing......

The gen coil being just a single strand?

[RS_]

can be a single strand, or muilti strand wired in series......

[itunesdan]

What would be a benefit if a bigger spike? I am contemplating the idea and am wondering what value having another coil wo be... what effect does the larger spike have in the charging battery? Quicker charge time?

[John_Koorn]

Hi itunesdan, consider the difference of hitting a bell with one large hammer against several small hammers. What do you think the difference in sound would be?

That's a crude analogy of a Bedini multi-coil, multi-strand SG but I think you'll get the point.

If if this is your first SG, I would highly recommend focussing on building the basic machine first and learning how to tune it before progressing to advanced versions. I would also thoroughly recommend purchasing the Bedini SG e-books written by Peter Lindemann. These are the best there is and will save you a lot of time and money in the long run.

John K.

[itunesdan]

Thanks John. I have the standard machine built. I am just trying to figure out how to improve it. A friend of mine keeps telling me that over time the batteries will lose their amperage due to air drag, energy conversion, etc. I have always known him to know what he is talking about but not sure I agree with him this time . So far my testing has given me an increase in volts of .15 on the charge side to a draw of .01-.02v on the run side. Conventional physics says he is right there is a loss but I don't quite understand how I can gain that much from that much draw.

[John_Koorn]

Hi itunesdan, has this friend built a Bedini SG energiser at all? If he hasn't then I don't think he is qualified to tell you what the machine will or won't do.

Just measuring the voltage will not tell you everything that's going on. You need to be able to measure the energy (e.g. watt hours) going into the charge battery and then compare it with the energy (watt hours) you got out of the charge battery when you load test it.

The Bedini SG e-books will tell you how to improve your machine. They are written in a way that anyone with a basic knowledge of electronics will be able to follow them. I don't make any money if you buy them, that's not why I'm recommending them.

John K.

[itunesdan]

John,

I definitely agree with you - I need to do a lot more testing. Limited time and even more limited funds seem to be the biggest problem with that. My biggest time and money savers are lots (and lots and lots...etc) of investigation of what other people have found to be successful, which is what led me to this forum. Anyway, on to my question of this week, if anyone can spare some experience on this.

I have found some imagery here that has two 100 ohm resistors in parallel, that then goes to a 200 ohm resistor, to the 1k pot, to the trigger coil. However, I have found other imagery here that just has all the 100 ohm resistors in parallel. I'm a bit confused and could use a gentle push in the right direction.

Thanks,
Dan

[BobZilla]

Dan,

I would suggest to you that instead of trying to replicate OTHER peoples interpretations of the circuit you should go by what Mr. Bedini himself gave you. As John K said the books are a great resource but I understand you may not have the funds to purchase. You do not need the books if you will follow this simple diagram which started it all. Many of us were building from this and this alone long before the books and kits were made available.

http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...wfull=1#post34

To help you with your question about the resistors I will offer this advice. The base resistance is set to limit the current going into the base which in turn regulates how open the flow from C to E on the transistor is. The more current to the base the more open the flow, or put another way the higher power you will be running with. You will always be safer to add more resistance to begin with and then back off a litle at a time until you find where you think you would like to run the machine. If you don't use enough resistance you can damage the transistors but if you use more resistance than is ideal you will not damage anything but it may not run the best.

[itunesdan]

Thanks Bob.
I think I should clarify that I have successfully built the original machine according to JB's circuit. It runs well -- no question. That being said, I am starting out just like the many others; and am trying to find ways to improve for torque and RPM.

The reason I was curious about the resistors is that it doesnt make sense (to me,) to have 200 ohm resistor in front of 2 100 ohm resistors that go to the bases of the transistors. I think it is unnecessary to have the 200 ohm resistor. Just seems backwards.

Thanks,
Dan

[min2oly]

John,

I definitely agree with you - I need to do a lot more testing. Limited time and even more limited funds seem to be the biggest problem with that. My biggest time and money savers are lots (and lots and lots...etc) of investigation of what other people have found to be successful, which is what led me to this forum. Anyway, on to my question of this week, if anyone can spare some experience on this.

I have found some imagery here that has two 100 ohm resistors in parallel, that then goes to a 200 ohm resistor, to the 1k pot, to the trigger coil. However, I have found other imagery here that just has all the 100 ohm resistors in parallel. I'm a bit confused and could use a gentle push in the right direction.

Thanks,
Dan

The resistor setup in the first image is correct, HOWEVER - one little mistake with that one and your transistors will blow. Dan ONLY, tell us what the mistake is in the drawing...
whoever drew this was not consistant with the colors, it's not a good layout so be carefull.

Also, I would not go further than two wires. With care in tuning and paying attn to how the machine runs and your batteries - you can find what you are looking for with just the two. once you have it working, you might consider soldering everthing nice and tight. Eliminate as much excess wire as you can, put the transistors and diode right on the coil like JB did with his 10 coiler and use large wire to the charge battery.
Heed the kind advice given in this thread and you will be fine...
KR - Patrick