How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[Branch Gordon]

I am curious about how the alum battery with the monopole works...

Let's say you tune your circuit...but then the alum battery goes through a couple impedance changes as it levels out. Does this affect the tuning?

From what I've seen with my lights getting very dim where the battery levels out (3V)....I would think the RPM's would slow way down...

[nickle989]

1- right now I am powering my load tester not my house, I could power an inverter a few lights, maybe a toaster. the actual energy people use, including myself is immense. I have a 4.7 kw solar array, and in the summer it provides less than half of my total consumption for my household. we do have 3 families living here, 2 fridges, etc but even if it was just my family it would be tremendous.

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Tom C

Living above North Dakota ... it gets pretty darn cold up here ... for me it is a combination of heat and electricity ... I have an evacuated tube solar array heating my shop and at some point will convert the house ... I have a large 100 amp inverter and 12 of 4lcy290/8volt batteries that were used for 2 years as a back up system, the intention was to use my turbine design and better then Betz limit ducted wined turbine as some power ... unfortunaly to big to put in a city ... so back to looking at other alternatives (started to 8 years ago then took another route) then brute force. I see potential in the Alum battery for a lot of good reasons the main one is lack of memory and very easy to take a quick charge. I am pretty happy with the mix that I am using now but am still testing and need to make the SSG. As an inventor with a full machine shop including CNC's I to use power ... grrrr.

I am just waiting for a motor and my coil winding machine will be done and I will be getting on to the SSG.

Regards

[machinationus]

the one i did was resting at 11.23 volts and the mate to it was 12.7 volts (the stock LA bat)
I was using a inverter 120v ac (step ups for the alum battery), so test is not hard fact as the "step up" converter is also wasting a bit. The stock bat. pulled down to 12.3 volts very steady.

Alum Battery “Powervolt” 250 CCA 35RC. Used 2 “step up” 3 amp converters (step ups for Alum battery only)
To a Inverter for 120 volt, powering a air cleaner @ 13-14 watts.
Battery output was 28-38 watts as step-ups heated up.
They (step ups)both got real hot near end. As they where putting out 7.5 amps! starting amps was about 3.75.
Starting Volt:11.23 End volt 5.15. Resting volts after 20 min:9.16
1.5 hours of pulling got it down to 8 volts and 5.5 amps. The volts drop the amps go way up. I stopped test at 1.6 hr.

So it will pull a load far below 10.5 volts I try to put pdf in files. If i find "files"
Its been sitting for a week or more at 11.02 volts

But the stock battery never went below 12.3
Maybe it needs to be reformed. I also made a simple battery with only laundry soap and it worked but took a lot of charging and self discharge was high.
So i kinda give up for now.

[machinationus]

So is 15 volts OK for charging at? It did work at below 10.5 volts fine, I did a short test as no data logger.

[John_Koorn]

I don't see any off grids with these batteries, you should Not do it until u try two small battery's first. My results where not impressive, the lead acid one did not drop as fast, the alum one dropped a lot more with same load.
Don't dump any thing in expensive battery's.
But they have tryed to perfect the LA battery they first put active carbon in the neg plates and use some Polyaspartic Acids.
D. Pavlov, P. Nikolov, T. Rogachev Institute of Electrochemistry and Energy Systems - BAS,
1113 Sofia, Bulgaria
"Lead-carbon electrode
with inhibitor of PbSO4 recristalization
in lead-acid batteries operating on HRPSoC duty"
15 000 cycles see: ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2011-02/14/710.full.pdf

i agree, try small first and study them until you think you have got it before going bigger.

I was talking to Chuck today, he had one alum battery that he over-charged and also drained to 0v. The battery did not care, puts out just as much as the day he built it. Can't do that with a LA SO4 battery

John K.

[machinationus]

less output

Tom, the main original questions have yet to be answered, there are no circles that I can see ... on the results that you see with your own what are you you powering? If you have some vids I would be glad to go look.

Thanks

I don't see any off grids with these batteries yet, you should Not do it until u try two small battery's first. the lead acid one did not drop as fast, the alum one dropped more with same load but runs at lower volts. It would be a good SG battery as it will run down and still power load. It's still not known the exact mixes.
Don't dump any thing in expensive battery's. It voids warranty's.
But they have tried to perfect the LA battery they first put active carbon in the neg plates and use some Polyaspartic Acids.
D. Pavlov, P. Nikolov, T. Rogachev Institute of Electrochemistry and Energy Systems - BAS,
1113 Sofia, Bulgaria
"Lead-carbon electrode
with inhibitor of PbSO4 recristalization
in lead-acid batteries operating on HRPSoC duty"
15 000 cycles see: ma.ecsdl.org/content/MA2011-02/14/710.full.pdf

[Branch Gordon]

Wow Tom, that's a busy household! Haha!

I would've thought you would have a 10 coiler or something hooked up to two huge 1800AH battery banks powering your house.

1- right now I am powering my load tester not my house, I could power an inverter a few lights, maybe a toaster. the actual energy people use, including myself is immense. I have a 4.7 kw solar array, and in the summer it provides less than half of my total consumption for my household. we do have 3 families living here, 2 fridges, etc but even if it was just my family it would be tremendous.

the crystal battery will never be something that can power a house, the charge density is just too low by itself, and putting them in series the impedance just gets too hi. lights are a perfect use for the oscillator circuit, and other low power usage devices. for your house you are going to need 20k in batteries, a big inverter or DC appliances and a lot of thought into curtaling energy usage in your house.

you need a single battery or a set of batteries forming a single voltage, with each individual battery having the same impedance, otherwise batteries just swap potential back and forth. this is not specific to bedini tech, this is a normal parameter when dealing with charging more than 1 battery at the same time. you either need a brach circuit isolated to each battery (sg forced oscillsator with split diode) or multiple monopoles charg ging individual batteries.


Tom C

[Branch Gordon]

Through my load testing on my converted alum batteries, as the curve starts to level off around 5V...the amount of usable light is reduced. By 3V it's not very usable.

Unfortunately this is where you get the majority of the AH with these alum batteries.

Is everyone else experiencing this as well? Or is this performance an indication that I haven't done something right?

By 2V...my LED's pull around 10mA, and you can just barely see that they are on...

[Tom C]

Tom, the main original questions have yet to be answered, there are no circles that I can see ... on the results that you see with your own what are you you powering? If you have some vids I would be glad to go look.

Thanks

1- right now I am powering my load tester not my house, I could power an inverter a few lights, maybe a toaster. the actual energy people use, including myself is immense. I have a 4.7 kw solar array, and in the summer it provides less than half of my total consumption for my household. we do have 3 families living here, 2 fridges, etc but even if it was just my family it would be tremendous.

the crystal battery will never be something that can power a house, the charge density is just too low by itself, and putting them in series the impedance just gets too hi. lights are a perfect use for the oscillator circuit, and other low power usage devices. for your house you are going to need 20k in batteries, a big inverter or DC appliances and a lot of thought into curtaling energy usage in your house.

you need a single battery or a set of batteries forming a single voltage, with each individual battery having the same impedance, otherwise batteries just swap potential back and forth. this is not specific to bedini tech, this is a normal parameter when dealing with charging more than 1 battery at the same time. you either need a brach circuit isolated to each battery (sg forced oscillsator with split diode) or multiple monopoles charg ging individual batteries.


Tom C

[Branch Gordon]

Just ordered a cheap glass blender off of amazon. I have been running curves on my two alum battery converts...but I don't think I got it right still per my earlier posts and comments from Tom.

Will be making up another mix as soon as blender arrives....

Thanks everyone!

[nickle989]

Tom, the main original questions have yet to be answered, there are no circles that I can see ... on the results that you see with your own what are you you powering? If you have some vids I would be glad to go look.

Thanks

[Tom C]

Okay, a 12volt and 2 volt on both sides in series ... or one should be able to impedance match on the power side with a coil? I did see a video where 2 different batteries were being used by John on the charging side with different impedances ... I do not believe he mentioned a negative outcome. As a natural sceptic but one that is willing to investigate with an open mind as I am with the Cu Mg thread when I do finally wind my first coil I do want it being powerful. I see lots of folks replicating the SSG etc with great success but I do not see people talking and putting in practice the practicle side results, hense the questions. I do see the negative comments etc. on the www from people that probably most likely did not do a great replication job or others who only embrace the boxed science. The pros and cons ... lol.

you can run around in circles asking questions all day long if you want. 13 ah on front 13 ah on back minimum is the easiest way to see results. I have fantastic results time and time again. same battery on front as on the back. the monopole is a single frequency amplifier, the gain is in the switching, balance the load with the source and you get the best match.
Tom C

[nickle989]

Okay, a 12volt and 2 volt on both sides in series ... or one should be able to impedance match on the power side with a coil? I did see a video where 2 different batteries were being used by John on the charging side with different impedances ... I do not believe he mentioned a negative outcome. As a natural sceptic but one that is willing to investigate with an open mind as I am with the Cu Mg thread when I do finally wind my first coil I do want it being powerful. I see lots of folks replicating the SSG etc with great success but I do not see people talking and putting in practice the practicle side results, hense the questions. I do see the negative comments etc. on the www from people that probably most likely did not do a great replication job or others who only embrace the boxed science. The pros and cons ... lol.

[Tom C]

For John B ..... Facts and despelling any Myths out in the WWW ..... Lead Acid vs Lead Alum - using SSG as charging mechanism

From the results being posted etc.
- is it safe to assume the Alum battery will have a lower working voltage but a longer life from discharge and charge cycles?
- how is the Alum at inductive loads vs Lead Acid? - does the Alum have the same power (current delivery) output? or if lower what percentage give or take?

It also looks like the SSG can charge different battery's at once ... could it charge a 2 volt (possibly two 2 volt) and a 12 volt batteries at the same time? ... these could then be combined together to overcome the problem with dc/ac converters needing to run at the 12 volt level? I have some very large 8 volt batteries but yet undecided on to convert yet or just use them as is and then convert.

Having watched the video on the shop SSG with the fan on it and charging with the 1 amp cycling, will that deep cycle battery have the same Ah rating? and be able to be used with inductive loads?

Thank you

the bast way to use the monopole circuit is with the same size batteries on both sides of the machine. it becomes an impedance match with the coil being the inductor and the batteries are the capacitors.
Tom C

[nickle989]

For John B ..... Facts and despelling any Myths out in the WWW ..... Lead Acid vs Lead Alum - using SSG as charging mechanism

From the results being posted etc.
- is it safe to assume the Alum battery will have a lower working voltage but a longer life from discharge and charge cycles?
- how is the Alum at inductive loads vs Lead Acid? - does the Alum have the same power (current delivery) output? or if lower what percentage give or take?

It also looks like the SSG can charge different battery's at once ... could it charge a 2 volt (possibly two 2 volt) and a 12 volt batteries at the same time? ... these could then be combined together to overcome the problem with dc/ac converters needing to run at the 12 volt level? I have some very large 8 volt batteries but yet undecided on to convert yet or just use them as is and then convert.

Having watched the video on the shop SSG with the fan on it and charging with the 1 amp cycling, will that deep cycle battery have the same Ah rating? and be able to be used with inductive loads?

Thank you