How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[plengo]

I will measure the ph again the internal resistance as you asked. In the top of my head my ph is around .47 or 4.7 using a paper PH that I have. Red acid, Purple alkaline. The paper is orange.

Fausto.

[Branch Gordon]

JB-

I can't sort out how to raise the PH other than diluting with water. Both ingredients (alum, S04) are acidic, so seems like the addition of either will lower the PH. As my PH is SUPER low at .6....I don't understand what I'm supposed to do here.

I've already added distilled water and a new curve is running to compare. What is your recommendation if my new curve falls right away?

Also, didn't mean to to annoy you with my question about selling this stuff...I haven't been around these forums long enough to have heard you explain things before...

Fausto,
Alum is acidic from the beginning Alum is made with SO4 and the balance for the Lead Acid battery would be more towards the Acidic side. it stands to reason that lead Acid would want to be in a range of PH 4. The crystal locks it up How many did the experiment with Alum water and sulfuric acid to see it form crystals, that is what is going on in the battery. They can not attach to the plates can anybody answer why? What did grade school teach about charges?. Why do the acid crystals drop to the bottom. and yet the solution works in the battery? Your Ph is off a little it is a fine balance in the cell.

Fausto could you give me a PH reading of your cells. I posted the math to show what the cells were doing with the internal resistance. I would almost bet if Branch goes the other way the impedance of the cell will move up high. If you move towards a water battery you will have no current and the battery will fall right away. Fausto, Can you do a test on the battery you have made and give me the impedance or internal resistance after charge of the cell this means allot in the final result. Ideal condition on this battery would be .5 to .1 Ohms internal.

The Lead Zinc battery is far different yet, but I could make it real big. We have only touched the surface here. Chuck and I only have so much time in a day to do things and batteries take a long time to analyze and make. It is important in the balance, the thing is it could be a balance of 4 to 5 on the PH or it could be a balance 6 to 8, Balance is balance no matter where you draw the 0 line. Same with the scope you use. In other words if you move to the right you can balance on that side, if you move to the left you can balance on that side too. So the cell with it's metals must be balanced for it to operate as a lead battery.

You can move this around with the Lead Acid battery as long as your not filling it with SO4. I would say it needs to be at a PH of 4 towards the acid end. You will find allot going on in this battery, more then meets the eye. The batteries Chuck and I are building are working very well and we are not worried about the SO4 as the Alum in a small amount takes care of that, it keeps growing with addition of water. The Lead Battery has never had a chemistry like this.

The Lead Zinc battery the mixture is Aluminum Carbonate in the reaction

[LesK]

John,
You mentioned that it was important the exothermic reaction stops between the alum and sodium carbonate.
Could you expand on that a bit?

I cannot find much on the Prigogine system but what I did find related to self-organized systems. It seems we are taking something with a random nature and assisting it to self organize. Chemically this is beyond my knowledge but I can see the results and acknowledge the observational results. Amazing observations.

What in the world motivated you to try zinc?

Les

[John_Bedini]

Fausto,
Alum is acidic from the beginning Alum is made with SO4 and the balance for the Lead Acid battery would be more towards the Acidic side. it stands to reason that lead Acid would want to be in a range of PH 4. The crystal locks it up How many did the experiment with Alum water and sulfuric acid to see it form crystals, that is what is going on in the battery. They can not attach to the plates can anybody answer why? What did grade school teach about charges?. Why do the acid crystals drop to the bottom. and yet the solution works in the battery? Your Ph is off a little it is a fine balance in the cell.

Fausto could you give me a PH reading of your cells. I posted the math to show what the cells were doing with the internal resistance. I would almost bet if Branch goes the other way the impedance of the cell will move up high. If you move towards a water battery you will have no current and the battery will fall right away. Fausto, Can you do a test on the battery you have made and give me the impedance or internal resistance after charge of the cell this means allot in the final result. Ideal condition on this battery would be .5 to .1 Ohms internal.

The Lead Zinc battery is far different yet, but I could make it real big. We have only touched the surface here. Chuck and I only have so much time in a day to do things and batteries take a long time to analyze and make. It is important in the balance, the thing is it could be a balance of 4 to 5 on the PH or it could be a balance 6 to 8, Balance is balance no matter where you draw the 0 line. Same with the scope you use. In other words if you move to the right you can balance on that side, if you move to the left you can balance on that side too. So the cell with it's metals must be balanced for it to operate as a lead battery.

You can move this around with the Lead Acid battery as long as your not filling it with SO4. I would say it needs to be at a PH of 4 towards the acid end. You will find allot going on in this battery, more then meets the eye. The batteries Chuck and I are building are working very well and we are not worried about the SO4 as the Alum in a small amount takes care of that, it keeps growing with addition of water. The Lead Battery has never had a chemistry like this.

The Lead Zinc battery the mixture is Aluminum Carbonate in the reaction

[plengo]

@ All,
I have been testing this theory for months now, but I did not want to say anything until I was sure what was going on. The mix was very simple 50% Alum (Ammonium Aluminum Silicate) and 50% (Sodium Carbonate) in Chucks tests he has been working for several months at these little cells to see what was going on. You will always find Chuck measuring things. The Oscillators I have posted before on how to make them. It is important the exothermic reaction stops between the Alum and the Sodium Carbonate. Then the mix is watered down to make a liquid out of that and the plates are immersed in the mix that is liquid. A forming charge is applied and then the battery is drained and this is repeated until the oxides are formed. I used Sheet Zinc but other things can be used. This cell can be critical with the insulator material as it can form dendrites between the plates. The Oscillator is a SG circuit in forced condition. It is not my intention to sell anything the information has always been on the groups with the SG Energizer, but then who is listening to what I have said. I have covered this many times that the current is not wanted in my circuits. The negative effect or termed a negative resistor takes place in the cells chemical, same as a lead acid battery, Again I will point this out to you all,,,,Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced.This can be seen in the cell temp going negative to ambient room temp.

Done good Mr Bedini. You wait to show when it is right. I am still learning that, more and more.

I am curious what is the inclination for trying the Sodium Carbonate, would it because it is working like an acid but a more gentle one?

Thanks for the tips of the dendrites. I think my first cell (one in a video totally covered with white crystals) had that problem.

Oscillator in forced condition is an interesting name. Is that meaning variable input impedance oscillator?

Unfortunately none of my cells are showing the lower temperature level (signs of Prigogine effects).

I am listening.

Fausto.

[Wei]

I did notice the cooling effect on my lead-alum cell when i was forming it. It was bubbling quite a bit at the end of the charge so I was keeping track of temperature and I thought the cooling was due to the bubbles.

When the positive plate is sandwich between 2 negative plates, I get lower internal resistance and more capacity.

As the water evaporate and the cell discharges, lots of crystals start to grow on the plates.

[plengo]

In this video I’m showing a 4 plate Lead Crystal Cell made from an Everstart Wal-Mart Battery, I found that it depends on the number of plates and the surface area of the lead Alum Crystal. I used a pre- manufactured plate system and its case. I have charted these batteries for two days. John Bedini


@ All,
I suggest that you watch this as some of the information you need to do this I try to give as much information as I can. I'm not ready to give the exact formula as I'm looking for a substitute for one of the chemicals.

Video update as I work to balance the PH on this battery...

Hey Gordon,

Good question about balancing and how.

What was the PH number you mention? My cells are a little bit more acidic too and they are small 2 plates from those 5amp/h gel battery. I am able to still present patterns that Bedini's cells are showing.

His cells (I think) are more well balanced and for the same cell plate size, his cells are performing much better than mine and yet presenting the same pattern.

In worst case scenario for your battery you can collect as much data as possible to accumulate the amount of evidence in favor or against the phenomena we describe to be happening. It only helps more to understand the true nature of those crystal cells.

Fausto.

[John_Bedini]

negative entropy

@ All,
I have been testing this theory for months now, but I did not want to say anything until I was sure what was going on. The mix was very simple 50% Alum (Ammonium Aluminum Silicate) and 50% (Sodium Carbonate) in Chucks tests he has been working for several months at these little cells to see what was going on. You will always find Chuck measuring things. The Oscillators I have posted before on how to make them. It is important the exothermic reaction stops between the Alum and the Sodium Carbonate. Then the mix is watered down to make a liquid out of that and the plates are immersed in the mix that is liquid. A forming charge is applied and then the battery is drained and this is repeated until the oxides are formed. I used Sheet Zinc but other things can be used. This cell can be critical with the insulator material as it can form dendrites between the plates. The Oscillator is a SG circuit in forced condition. It is not my intention to sell anything the information has always been on the groups with the SG Energizer, but then who is listening to what I have said. I have covered this many times that the current is not wanted in my circuits. The negative effect or termed a negative resistor takes place in the cells chemical, same as a lead acid battery, Again I will point this out to you all,,,,Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced.This can be seen in the cell temp going negative to ambient room temp.

[Branch Gordon]

Video update as I work to balance the PH on this battery...

[Branch Gordon]

So...the implications of that working and being scaled up are pretty huge. Hypothetically what is the plan with that kind of setup long-term?

Are you allowed to manufacture and sell that setup (once it's fully tested and ironed out)? Or is the plan to try and teach everyone how to build it because some agency will show up and shut you down?

Sorry if this has been asked before...

Branch

In this update video I’m showing where the energy is coming from with this type of system.
John Bedini & Chuck Hupp.

[LesK]

Very Nice work!
Way to go Fausto.

John and chuck Awesome! Thank you for sharing. I got my case cleaned up today for the new cells but I am not sure if I should use the red lead plates.


Thanks
Les

[Branch Gordon]

Ok...I received my PH tester today...calibrated it, then tested my battery. I have a PH of .60, haha. I re-calibrated my tester after seeing that just to be sure. My alum battery is very acidic.

So with that said, I'm thinking maybe I should dump out what's in the battery, and mix up a new solution? What do you think? Maybe I should add more distilled water to try and dilute?

I'm reading that a 1% alum solution has a PH of about 3....so with just a little bit I'm already way under being balanced.

[John_Koorn]

John and Chuck, thanks for posting that. Great work. This is a significant breakthrough and I agree Fausto is right too. Not to get off track but I saw a similar thing last night with one of my SG fan conversions. I was running the fan and charging my little alum battery. The primary was a gel cell. There was a point where the voltage on the gel cell dropped to about 7.4v and the alum battery was at about 6.6v, but what happened was that the fan sped up and it sat there like this for about 4 hours. Normally the fan would have run at about half the speed it should've at that voltage but it was a point where it hit a resonant point and the system was balanced and the fan just sped up.

I don't believe I have the balance of the alum battery just right yet but it shows I'm getting very close.

This definitely something that needs more research. Thanks for the inspiration guys.

John K.

[plengo]

This is AWESOME. We are beyond a doubt showing to everyone free energy for good. It is small now, BUT we can improve this technology many folds. And on this video you are using only 2 plates, imagine 100 plates.

[John_Bedini]

In this update video I’m showing where the energy is coming from with this type of system.
John Bedini & Chuck Hupp.