How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[LesK]

Lidmotor,

Looks good. I am not sure what your comparison is between the cap and battery. If you are using the same load on them, then the cap would certainly have a faster discharge rate.
I am using an ammeter and it looks almost like these batteries are current devices. The voltage seems to linearly drop while the current seems to hold fairly steady. At least on the few tests I have done so far running my SSG.
Those smaller cells look like a lot of fun.

Les

[Lidmotor]

1st go at computer graghing battery discharge

@All
I finally got my computer graphing setup working. I had a problem with my computer not wanting to talk to my meter but all is well now. I am taking a slightly different approach than everybody else right now. I am looking at "built from scratch" small cells rather than the full size batteries. The first thing that I did today was to compare one my test cells to a super capacitor. As expected the supercap graphed out as a straight line voltage dropping discharge. The cell that I show in this video is graphing out more like an alkaline battey that holds it's voltage better. This was my first time using a computer to watch the discharge on a battery. This is a great tool!

@John B.
The cell that I am testing here is the one that I talked to you about. It is a three plate cell that has the red lead paste in the plate holes. It is the strongest and most non-self discharging cell that I have made so far.

Lidmotor

[LesK]

Interesting voltage spikes

This is a little something on my next battery called battery "C" This battery is doing some very interesting stuff.
It charges very quickly two hours at 2 amps. It has been running my SS for the last six and a half hours. That is at one amp. It started at 9.362 volts and when loaded dropped to 8.609v
From there it was fairly linear. I accidently knocked the probe off for about half an hour before I realized, and you can see that on the screen shot.
But what I am seeing for some reason is that sometimes the voltage will go momentarily up. I don't know if it is some impedance change in the SS SSG, or the batteries under charge or some anomaly in the software...
I caught this one but most aren't this visible. I would like to think this is getting close to the right crystal structure and it is somehow picking up a bit of charge somewhere however unlikely that may seem.





Les

[LesK]

Late night discharge....

I was up late and did this video Unfortunately not able to see the numbers on the screen but I think you can tell what is going on.
The battery that I am using on this test is different than the others. It will continue to pull 1 amp under charge seemingly forever.
The other batteries will drop to almost zero amps when charged. This battery had been running for a few hours previous.
Now that I have the software running again I will start charting my other batteries maybe see some differences.

Les

[Branch Gordon]

I ran a curve on a battery identical to the alum battery I converted, expect that it's still lead acid. Here are the curves side by side.

I still haven't added any acid to the alum battery...will be doing that today.

[James Milner]

You can check out solubility saturation points on Wikipedia. Just look up aluminium sulphate.
Here is a great graph to help you know what freezing temp is applicable for a specified concentration.

[trancedrum]

Alum PH

Hi All,

an update with my battery.
Today I reformed my battery with acid, I'll explain why in the video.
I also saw a change in an old battery that I had converted long ago. I think that has to do with the impedance. Maybe.
I'm waiting for the new CBA battery analyzer so better graphics.
This is really exciting, and this work with batteries is fantastic and very promising
Mr. Bedini I completely agree with you, "Knowledge is power and we need it." I remember long ago I drank water with Zeolite that supposedly fed cells more because it was wetter. So everything makes sense.
It's always nice to read your post and learn.
Sorry if my videos are a little confused, but practice makes you better.
Also uploading the video and change formats is becoming easier (Camara photo / video, Mac, Compressor, Final Cut Pro, Quick Time, MPEG4, and finally YouTube) is the reason why I'm still here at this time.
However, thanks to all, I enjoy learning.

regards Ralph

[machinationus]

Hey all - after charging the NAPA Legend 75 battery overnight at 2amps, the thing is solid as a rock today. I've successfully powered an inverter and am running a CFL lamp on it. Looks pretty solid. Below is a video showing the setup:

Lead Alum Car Battery Powering Inverter and CFL Lamp - YouTube

I just hope it works. Solar power? 1 watt to 1 pound of lead, that's what i got 8k
I am going to do a little test with the Alum with the freezing point any body know?

[br0ns0n77]

Hey all - after charging the NAPA Legend 75 battery overnight at 2amps, the thing is solid as a rock today. I've successfully powered an inverter and am running a CFL lamp on it. Looks pretty solid. Below is a video showing the setup:

Lead Alum Car Battery Powering Inverter and CFL Lamp - YouTube

[Branch Gordon]

Is there a recommended voltage to stop discharging these batteries in real world applications? I know you said they can be discharged down to 0 volts without harm, but does that mean we should?

Also, are there any issues with discharging at a much higher rate than the recommended C20? Will that cause any harm?

[John_Bedini]

Branch,
That is right on one hand muriatic acid will burn you and on the other hand it's in balance or natural in the pool water. Chemistry at it's best and in balance. look at the amount copaired to the water in the pool, not much.

[Brian McNece]

Can anyone point me in the direction of what program or instrament to use to chart these battery curves on my computer?
Thanks

One option is a Multimeter that can be hooked up to a computer. Radio shack sells one for around $70 US.
Also there is a West Mountain CBA tester available, CBA stands for coputerized battery analyzer
If you scroll back through this thread you will find links to both. They are both good, just depends on what you want to do.
Brian

[11sprials11]

IOk thanks for your time.

This is what I am using: West Mountain Radio - CBA III - Computerized Battery Analyzer

[Branch Gordon]

Great explanation! Thanks for taking the time man...

I need to re-read that a few times and make sure I absorb everything before I ask some more questions. I actually have a bottle of sulfuric acid in the garage, left over from filling these batteries originally. I should be able to get the acid in this alum battery this evening, charge it up, and run another curve. I'll upload the results.

Something I was thinking about earlier...you mentioned that the balance has to be right...not to alkaline and not too acidic. This seems to me very similar to balancing a swimming pool I had to add muriatic acid to my pool this season as it became too alkaline. I'm wondering if it would be possible to stick a pool alkalinity tester in this battery once I get the curve right, and see what the results are? If so, that would give a more specific target to reach.

Branch,
First of all you need to ask all the question you can about Crystal Cells. I have not really got into it yet here which would be solid state batteries.
I can look at your curve and see it's not quite balanced. I'm looking for the impedance switch in the curve. In the next video I'm going to point that out...... You need a syringe to draw some acid from another lead acid battery and place 1Ml in each cell, then charge to full. Then you use your charting equipment to follow the real world curve, meaning running a light bulb load or anything to take power from that battery. Then watch the curve again. The other thing is under a real world load the battery will follow a liner curve all the way down. The point then being, is the battery damaged and can it be recovered, lead acid maybe not, Alum yes. Why, because the sulphate is locked into the alum crystal between the plates. but what is that compound that the mixture is making? The answer to that question is Synthetic Zeolite, what does Zeolite do it traps things. So, Hydrates mixed with other Hydrates forms a Synthetic Zeolite so the Zeolite traps the SO4 in it's crystal. So lets take this further, The Zeolite is now electrical and can release the changed SO4 back into the water and your battery can charge back up and then discharge without damage as you can not sulphate the plates, watch the next video as boring as it is. If we all get better at this the batteries will last forever charging and discharging, and it can be done ( everything has already been done under the Sun on earth). The thing here is this is real advanced solid state in what is going on and I do not know all the answers yet. I can see what is happening by the cells I'm making and testing. I can not go into Marcus Reid here but just imagine electrons going around never ending supplying current the whole time, sailing ships never depleting the dipole, that is where we are going here. And since I moderate this I will not allow any nonsense. So I will take as much time as I need to, to explain the best as I can here. Everybody needs to think about what can be done if the energy we have today just vanished, light would be good for starters.
Knowledge is power and we need it

[John_Bedini]

Branch,
First of all you need to ask all the question you can about Crystal Cells. I have not really got into it yet here which would be solid state batteries.
I can look at your curve and see it's not quite balanced. I'm looking for the impedance switch in the curve. In the next video I'm going to point that out...... You need a syringe to draw some acid from another lead acid battery and place 1Ml in each cell, then charge to full. Then you use your charting equipment to follow the real world curve, meaning running a light bulb load or anything to take power from that battery. Then watch the curve again. The other thing is under a real world load the battery will follow a liner curve all the way down. The point then being, is the battery damaged and can it be recovered, lead acid maybe not, Alum yes. Why, because the sulphate is locked into the alum crystal between the plates. but what is that compound that the mixture is making? The answer to that question is Synthetic Zeolite, what does Zeolite do it traps things. So, Hydrates mixed with other Hydrates forms a Synthetic Zeolite so the Zeolite traps the SO4 in it's crystal. So lets take this further, The Zeolite is now electrical and can release the changed SO4 back into the water and your battery can charge back up and then discharge without damage as you can not sulphate the plates, watch the next video as boring as it is. If we all get better at this the batteries will last forever charging and discharging, and it can be done ( everything has already been done under the Sun on earth). The thing here is this is real advanced solid state in what is going on and I do not know all the answers yet. I can see what is happening by the cells I'm making and testing. I can not go into Marcus Reid here but just imagine electrons going around never ending supplying current the whole time, sailing ships never depleting the dipole, that is where we are going here. And since I moderate this I will not allow any nonsense. So I will take as much time as I need to, to explain the best as I can here. Everybody needs to think about what can be done if the energy we have today just vanished, light would be good for starters.
Knowledge is power and we need it