How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[Branch Gordon]

This is what I am using: West Mountain Radio - CBA III - Computerized Battery Analyzer

Can anyone point me in the direction of what program or instrament to use to chart these battery curves on my computer?
Thanks

[11sprials11]

Can anyone point me in the direction of what program or instrament to use to chart these battery curves on my computer?
Thanks

[Branch Gordon]

Beginners luck Thanks for showing us all how to do this! I like having damage-less batteries!

I have just a few more questions if you don't mind:

1. SO4...am I needing to add 1ml of sulfuric acid, or actual sulfate? If it's sulfate...I'm not sure how to get that...? Sorry if any of these questions are totally ignorant...I'm learning as I go along here.

2. I'm confused why the curve looks so good if it's only lasting for 2AH. It's a 4AH battery. Will this improve after I add the SO4? Or do these Alum batteries not last as long as the lead acid?

3. How were you able to look at the curve and know to add 1ml SO4? I know it might just be through experience...but it would be good to know so that if I see one curve I know to add more alum, or if I see a different curve I know to add SO4.

This is actually the first curve I have ran EVER on ANY type of battery, haha, so I'm coming from a place of complete lack of experience.

Thanks again!

Branch

Branch, First of all Good work,
If you would balance that it would show just a little differnt curve. I would say 1Ml of SO4 in each cell then mix by shaking the battery. Then charge and run the curve again you want the solution neutral. Not an acid or a base just balanced. I still see people using baking soda, do not do that you will plug the plates up. We want the SO4 to lock up in the Alum. That battery as you have it right now should run 50 super bright Led's easy providing you balance all the currents. My video is very long I made to show some things about what happens in the battery. But that curve looks real good, you should be able to take that battery down to less then 1 volt with out damage. Very nice curve

[LesK]

John, That is one thing I have always admired about you. You take concern where it counts.

Dollard once made an off handed comment that the unseen energy from the sun strikes something like a magnet and the magnet then puts out the magnetic field.
The Ferris wheel ties into the sixteen streams of the sun, but I still do not know what is meant by that, other than the lines drawn by Ed Leedskalnin on his plaque.
Am I off (as I usually am) out in left field to think that we are really looking at a chemistry that is receptive to this energy like a magnet but instead of flux the output is current flow or at least the battery can self charge from this energy?
This is what I believe is the foundation of where you started with a rock and little analog ammeter. Isn't the rock picking up the energy just like a magnet? thus the need for the crystal structure, or as in Barium, the right lattice?
I understand that is what Tom Bearden was talking about when he described an electret and cap in his book. But back then those electrets were barium. and I think that is why people can't reproduce those results because "they" took the barium out of those devices which changed the lattice. So if we can get the right lattice in our crystal alum batteries wouldn't that be more important than the right chemical reaction always attributed to typical battery chemical reactions?.... I don't know, but just thinking out loud here.

We know that people were active in the pyramids and they were lighted. we also know there was no soot on the walls. We know Tesla had placed globes on the ground and they glowed. We see the pictographs in the pyramids with globes on staffs and lines coming off the globes like light... I suspect the entire civilization lighted their homes this way in the presence of the pyramids. Something changed and Tesla was going to put it right. Thousands of machines would help, but nobody understands. The Mayan shaman don't think the calendar tells us the end of time as we have been told by our great illustrious archaeologists. They believe it tells them when they will be able to live their religion again(oppression gone). And that means very soon. Probably this year. It does not predict stupid politics. It tells of natural calamities, based on Stellar events. The only reason I post all this is to show I have some Idea of the pressure you must be under John.
So Although I am trying to have fun and joke around, I really do understand what sits before us.

Like you said, let's get this one right
Les

LesK,
Yes I see what you mean about the water but I found that you do not need to add any if the cell locks it up. Your right it was very hard to get the concept right so everybody understands what was going on. I gave a warning in a nice manner to the Earth Lights group about Exothermic Reactions many people have lost eyesight with this type of reaction I really do not want to see anybody get hurt with what were doing here too. So I have said my piece and everybody should practice safety with Magnesium and anything like that. Chemical burns in your eyes do not go away and if salt is used where is the chlorine gas going. You will not know for several hours before you get sick and then it's to late, so just a warning be very careful with the experiments here with Lead. Or you really will have a monkey on your back forever.

[John_Bedini]

Branch, First of all Good work,
If you would balance that it would show just a little differnt curve. I would say 1Ml of SO4 in each cell then mix by shaking the battery. Then charge and run the curve again you want the solution neutral. Not an acid or a base just balanced. I still see people using baking soda, do not do that you will plug the plates up. We want the SO4 to lock up in the Alum. That battery as you have it right now should run 50 super bright Led's easy providing you balance all the currents. My video is very long I made to show some things about what happens in the battery. But that curve looks real good, you should be able to take that battery down to less then 1 volt with out damage. Very nice curve

[k4zep]

I'm uploading my 2nd alum battery discharge curve. I'm getting around 2AH out of it before it dips to 9V. It's a 4AH battery...so definitely not strong enough.

Here is the battery I have: Powersport Battery by GS Battery (part#CB4L-A) / Powersport Batteries

So is this an indication that I have don't enough alum in the mix...or is something else going on?

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Thats a beautiful Curve, I'll let John answer about the mix. Nice work.

Ben K4ZEP

[Branch Gordon]

I'm uploading my 2nd alum battery discharge curve. I'm getting around 2AH out of it before it dips to 9V. It's a 4AH battery...so definitely not strong enough.

Here is the battery I have: Powersport Battery by GS Battery (part#CB4L-A) / Powersport Batteries

So is this an indication that I have don't enough alum in the mix...or is something else going on?

[11sprials11]

@ John Bedini

Ok I think I figured out what the thick liquid is that you added to the alum water. Is it aluminium sulfate mixed with water of a neutral or slightly alkaline? Which then turns into aluminum hydroxide that turns into crystals in time. also the whole mix allows electrons to move back and forth freely. I'm I on the right track with this thinking?

[John_Bedini]

LesK,
Yes I see what you mean about the water but I found that you do not need to add any if the cell locks it up. Your right it was very hard to get the concept right so everybody understands what was going on. I gave a warning in a nice manner to the Earth Lights group about Exothermic Reactions many people have lost eyesight with this type of reaction I really do not want to see anybody get hurt with what were doing here too. So I have said my piece and everybody should practice safety with Magnesium and anything like that. Chemical burns in your eyes do not go away and if salt is used where is the chlorine gas going. You will not know for several hours before you get sick and then it's to late, so just a warning be very careful with the experiments here with Lead. Or you really will have a monkey on your back forever.

[LesK]

John,
Yes, I see what you mean, I have been scanning over the earth battery forum a little and I can see it was a challenge. I have not built the copper/Alum/magnesium yet, but I feel adding water to charge the battery is of extreme value.
I learned on the Ferris wheel forum how hard it was to express the concepts in text like this. So for me your videos have taken my knowledge to a whole new level, I find them extremely valuable for clarification. Yes, make them as long as you want, I have no problem with that.

Thanks again John, No worries here....
Les

LesK,
No I understand all that but I thought you were have some problem with that monkey.
Maybe I'm to serious about trying to get everybody to have success at something here. I know I could not get anywhere with the earth lights. I'm sorry but that monkey has been on my back for a long time in this field. Sorry Les.

[br0ns0n77]

I took an old 6 volt golf cart battery and did the conversion to alum and I've had it running two 12 volt cpu fans and a small fm/am radio for days with the voltage only dropping about .01-.02 volts per day. The thing is solid and holds steady but that may just be because of the amp hours in it. Here's a video showing it:

Golf Cart Battery Converted from Acid to Alum - YouTube

I also just converted an old NAPA high performance car battery today. This thing has really thick lead plating in it not the kind you find in EverStart batteries. John is completely truthful about the EverStart plates being crap. I had it holding steady without a load on it at around 10 volts. I put the same two 12 volt cup fans on it and it's been running for nearly 3-4 hours and the voltage is down near 5 volts now with the load on it. I'm noticing a much bigger decline in voltage on the car battery with a load versus the golf cart battery.

I'm not certain if that type of voltage drop off was normal for these types of batteries, but it does seem gradual at least. I was hoping to be able to use these for some sort of solar setup, but it won't run the inverter long.

[John_Bedini]

LesK,
No I understand all that but I thought you were have some problem with that monkey.
Maybe I'm to serious about trying to get everybody to have success at something here. I know I could not get anywhere with the earth lights. I'm sorry but that monkey has been on my back for a long time in this field. Sorry Les.

[LesK]

John,
Well, so much for my sense of humor... I sent Chuck a pm with a what I thought was really funny as well... guess I am just weird!
Sorry about the misunderstanding, No monkey problem... I was just talking about switching between charge and discharge and how the material of the lead changes and the ionic reactions etc. as best I can understand.
Even abused with Baking soda these are the most amazing things to see happen. my Alum should be here tomorrow so my next project will be to convert my new 850 CCA batteries, as I feel very confident in what you have taught us here.
Especially since I have been having such good experiences with this. So my apologies for poor communication. But truly John, I am having a blast with this, and a lot of success.

The water, as you just confirmed, is working exactly as you just described. I also wanted to be able to parallel batteries. But I can see that getting the chemistry right on old batteries is going to be way to difficult. Sulfated batteries are nice to try and learn from but....

Also, have you seen lasersaber's new 3.0 joule ringer? I thought that would work amazingly well with these batteries.


Les

LesK
That little monkey again, well if you understand the chemical the monkey does not exists. So what did you do Les?.
In talking to Lidmotor today he has made a lead plate cell sheet lead and some oxide lead PbO and that cell is working fine and getting stronger.
I have noticed the same thing with what Chuck and I have made. So Les how can I help you so that monkey goes away forever?
The one thing I found out is you can not just stab at this. Maybe I should again do another video on how to convert the battery when it has had Acid in it. I'm hoping Lidmotor will do another video on what he has done, because it just can't work for me and not you. All batteries are different so I just can't give you a mix to dump in it. Les the chemical is a Hydrate it means that it locks up the water during discharge the water goes away into crystal form, so it stops the sulfating of the plates when current is applied to charge the water will come back out causing your battery to overflow, because you have added water. Baking Soda should not be used at all. I have never done that to any of my batteries. I'm concerned Les about what is going wrong, I'm not having the same problems with any of the cell I'm making, so what could I be doing different? The Baking Soda will not come back out so it sticks to everything blocking the flow in the plates. So how Can I help you to end the Monkey that is pulling the switch on you?

[John_Bedini]

LesK
That little monkey again, well if you understand the chemical the monkey does not exists. So what did you do Les?.
In talking to Lidmotor today he has made a lead plate cell sheet lead and some oxide lead PbO and that cell is working fine and getting stronger.
I have noticed the same thing with what Chuck and I have made. So Les how can I help you so that monkey goes away forever?
The one thing I found out is you can not just stab at this. Maybe I should again do another video on how to convert the battery when it has had Acid in it. I'm hoping Lidmotor will do another video on what he has done, because it just can't work for me and not you. All batteries are different so I just can't give you a mix to dump in it. Les the chemical is a Hydrate it means that it locks up the water during discharge the water goes away into crystal form, so it stops the sulfating of the plates when current is applied to charge the water will come back out causing your battery to overflow, because you have added water. Baking Soda should not be used at all. I have never done that to any of my batteries. I'm concerned Les about what is going wrong, I'm not having the same problems with any of the cell I'm making, so what could I be doing different? The Baking Soda will not come back out so it sticks to everything blocking the flow in the plates. So how Can I help you to end the Monkey that is pulling the switch on you?

[LesK]

That's the little monkey again... ha ha... good to laugh once in a while...

I have discovered with several of my batteries, and in particular the larger AH rated ones. I reverse my water from lead acid. If I add water before charging then it overflows under charge. I find the best time to add water is before discharge.
Is this right or is this an indication of an improper mixture.. I did flush these with Baking soda before I knew better.....

Les

Branch,
You will know that during discharge, and your not stuck as you can add to the mixture to balance it. As I said before Alum is made with Sulfuric Acid so if the balance is off some SO4 may be added . I know it's not that easy to do the chemistry it's only going to be off by two or three, no big deal. The next video will explain some of that of how it is locked up in the chemical. I have tried other things but the chemistry only will work one way Alum and a Hydrate /5 /9 will just add more water if you add it. Here is the thing you want to understand, you do not want to form Lead sulfate on the plates, you want the Crystal to lock that up so you will find none. That is what the balance will do if correct, it's like a switch.