How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[ibedonc]

Not Boring John !!!

so what I am seeing is that you can pour your own plates pure lead and not need red lead ? or does it have to be the plates from batteries

[Chuck Hupp]

I want to take a stab at the compound used to make the paste...

Is it Epsom Salt (MgSO4·7H2O)?


Thanks, Brent

S04 is part of the equation already (Mg is not)

[John_Bedini]

In This Video I take you through Building the Lead Crystal Alum Hydrate Battery. I show three of the cells
That we built here at Energenx.

[IndianaBoys]

No

Chuck Hupp

Chuck,

Thanks for the reply.

As a side note I saw this and thought it may be of interest to add to the cell as a visual indicator:

When a visible indication of the moisture content is required, ammonium tetrachlorocobaltate(II) (NH4)2CoCl4 or cobalt chloride CoCl2 is added. This will cause the gel to be blue when dry and pink when hydrated. An alternative indicator is methyl violet which is orange when dry and green when hydrated.

IndianaBoys

[Chuck Hupp]

Is the compound used to make the paste Sodium Polyacrylate?

Thanks,

IndianaBoys

No

Chuck Hupp

[Chuck Hupp]

I want to take a stab at the compound used to make the paste...

Is it Epsom Salt (MgSO4·7H2O)?


Thanks, Brent

No

Chuck Hupp

[harlan.research]

@Mike Klimesh- In post #122 John said the following, "If you can not get Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate, then use the standard Alum since they just changed the label to get past the safety requirements." I am assuming that it should work fine.

Harlan

[ibedonc]

sheez , NAPA PSB 24HLBS $170 dry charged

I can get solar panels cheaper per watt then that ($1.69) solar = $0.58

http://www.sunelec.com/

[Mike Klimesh]

Pure Food Grade Alum Powder

My 50lbs of ' Pure Food Grade Alum Powder' arrived from myspicesage.com but it seems to be
Aluminum sulfate not Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate.
One step forward two steps back (+_+)

Mike Klimesh

[Mike Klimesh]

Gelled electrolyte

'Gelled batteries, or "Gel Cells" contain acid that has been "gelled" by the addition of Silica Gel, turning the acid into a solid mass that looks like gooey Jell-O.'

Deep Cycle Battery FAQ

Mike Klimesh

[k4zep]

Hi All,

Hi All,

Well my ALUM showed up from Nuts.com today so that got me in gear. I went out and bought a Auto Craft, Power Sport Battery Model 4L-BS 4Ah dry charged. I left the acid at the store. Filled it with a very strong mixture of ALUM/Distilled water 1.5 Cup distilled water and 1/3 cup Alum, dissolved Around 150 degrees in the water. Battery measured 8.28 VDC with no charging done to it right out of the gate. Started with a 2A charge but had to lower it to 0.5 A after 15 min as battery was boiling. We will see what we got this evening. Big battery still on discharge so have to wait till it gets off dis-charger but might use the power supply as a 0.5 amp reverse constant current load and measure its capacity in my watt meter. This will be a much more manageable battery!! I'll know what I have later today.

Ben K4ZEP

[LesK]

@John, and all

Thank you for BrightSorm. I am a ways from fully understanding but I did learn a lot.
If I understand correctly Aluminum is an Amophoteric compound and can react as a basic or acid with two different dissociation constants. I think because of this I saw the switching taking place. and this is why we see the impedance changes take place under load on our charting programs. The impedance change is significant! And the pKa or dissociation constant in relation to acidity Can be + or - depending on whether you are in a base or acid. If we had a buffer added to the chemistry then we could develop a hysteresis like in electronics circuits. This literally gives us something like a transistor. and on the charge side we have one impedance and on the discharge side another. With something like an ORP meter we would be able to see the reduction(base) or Oxidation(acid) at the various points. Also changes in electrical output can tell what mode your in. In the second Brightsorm video she talked about hydrates. I think I understand that since we are over saturating the solution we are talking now in different terms in recrystallization. Anyway when it is all said and done. Don't we essentially have a form of transistor that is chemically controlled. And I'll bet there is actually gain involed in the reaction.

This is just my WAG... I really know very little about Chemistry. But I can see the value of being able to do this. Especially when looking at the Watson machine. Or your Tesla switch where in between current dumps power can be pulled out.
I see this as why you showed the recovery time for the battery while pulse charging. I hope any of this makes sense....

Les

[knovos]

Thanks John. That was a fine battery Master Class. It really helps to make good cells.
Knovos.

[ibedonc]

thanks Ben

[k4zep]

can someone reply to this to let me know you are seeing my posts please

Sure I see it!

Ben K4ZEP