How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[hartiberlin]

Dear John and All,
did you use in this Video
Conversion Of A Dry-Charge Lead Acid Battery To an Alum Crystal Cell Battery John Bedini - YouTube

Ammonium Aluminum Sulphate
or
Pottassium Aluminum Sulphate ??

I have been working on a new bought battery maself and have used
Pottassium Aluminum Sulphate with it.

You can watch the videos here:
How to convert a lead acid car battery to an ALUM Battery Part 1 to 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWbHcW...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBFMSQ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI5zpw...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hogeX...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41u1n7...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fBVVD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5vvV...

First tests with a 300 Watts inverter on the ALUM electrolyte car battery - YouTube
Input Current measurement test into the 300 Watts inverter with the ALUM electrolyte car battery - YouTube
ALUM Battery test 24th of August and PH-Level of the ALUM Elektrolyte - YouTube

Please let me know, what exact ALUM salt you used.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[D Rhodes]

Thanks John K! and James Milner for the link. I just bought 1 kg of aluminum sulphate (alum) for about $20...and thanks also to BroMikey you were right. I am not going to be using Dion account anymore on here..I did not know how to delete it so have started a new username with my real name. lol.
I look forward to advancing in knowledge and understanding of these technologies with your help!! I have only just purchased the 2 manuals today even though I was on the monopole group in 2007. This forum is better I think. Not enough hours in the day and night to read it all...then put it into practice!
Dennis

[John_Koorn]

okay, I found a place in Perth WA selling 500 grams for $61...it seems that it is extremely hard to get..and google searches reveal that many people have had the same searches and trouble finding it. Typical!
Chemical, Aluminium Ammonium Sulphate

Dion, I've had the same issues trying to buy the right Alum in Australia. There are a few places, but as you found they charge through the nose for it. Unfortunately you can't import it either

John K.

[Dion]

okay, I found a place in Perth WA selling 500 grams for $61...it seems that it is extremely hard to get..and google searches reveal that many people have had the same searches and trouble finding it. Typical!
Chemical, Aluminium Ammonium Sulphate

[acad14n]

I think you want Ammonium Aluminum Sulphate. That's what is usually used in Lead Alum batteries.

[Faraday88]

Great build and neat look..
keeep it up pal!
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Carlos Galvis]

Carlos
Very nice
What are you making the containers out of? is that acrylic?
and how are you glueing them together so they don't leak?
Thank you
Brian

Hi brian, i make the container with acrylic and i use silicone to glue them... at first they leak a little but i keep adding silicone to seal it proper, it works really well. cells are doing great, they keep getting better, the current is not so great though, but with the results i'm seeing it will be worth trying to build a big one for more current so i can run the SG, cheers!

carlos

[Brian McNece]

Carlos
Very nice
What are you making the containers out of? is that acrylic?
and how are you glueing them together so they don't leak?
Thank you
Brian

[Carlos Galvis]

Very cool Carlos! I will be following your progress and hopefully when time permits build some large scale alum batteries for myself. Did you make your plates or remove from a battery?

Nice view out the window. Where is it?

Thanks, Ron

Hi Ron, i made the plates from lead scraps, a few posts early i show the mold i made for the plates, it's best to melt the lead and carefully using a spoon remove all the black solid stuff, it's real easy to do, just be careful. the plates should look silver shiny if the filtering is done right. that's Colombia out the window! cheers

carlos

[Ron Chase]

Very cool Carlos! I will be following your progress and hopefully when time permits build some large scale alum batteries for myself. Did you make your plates or remove from a battery?

Nice view out the window. Where is it?

Thanks, Ron

[Carlos Galvis]

Hello all, in the spirit of re-opening this discussion, i'm going to be reporting every step of the way in my Lead-Alum builds, even if it looks like a monologue. maybe this will be of use sometime. I have finished building from scratch a small 12V battery, using the same mix described by bedini. i formed it all night using the sg, and now the voltage sits around 12.4V. after 3 discharge/charge cycles, the battery gets better and better both in amp/h and in top voltage. The Vdrop at the first discharge (load is a a 12v fan, drawing 100Ma) was from 12.4 standing to 9.5V discharging. it took 10 mins to reach 2.6V. i stopped there because that's the voltage the fan stopped spinning. then i decided to charge it using the sg in OSCILLATOR MODE, the charge was a lot faster.the stand voltage was 12.6V, and the Voltage dropped to 10.69 upon discharge (a significant improvement.) these cells don't seem to mind an overcharge, as long as i keep a breathe hole open for the gas to come out (the battery is completely sealed) and can be brought down to 0. i do see crystals forming in between the plates, which is a confirmation on the effect bedini described where the sulphate crystalizes, preventing it to stick to the plates...

Ok, on the old 2V cell, i did a test to find out what happens if you charge and discharge at the same time. i used the SG to charge and an SG oscillator to discharge. it ran for nearly 12 hours, and held a steady voltage of 2.0V and after i disconnect everything, the standing V was 1.9V steady, dropping a few millivolts once every minute or so, wich is normal in any case, at least in my cells. These cells don't seem to mind being charged and discharged at the same time! further testing needs to be done to confirm this.... i think this is important based on the statement by Peter L. that says that the normal batteries don't like to have this done... please correct me if i'm wrong. here's some pics of the new 12V:

[Brian McNece]

I Have had some success in building crystal alum/acid batteries
I am just using lead sheet from x-ray devices, cut to about 2" x 3" 1pos 1 neg sandwiched together with heavy paper towel and alum paste. Nothing else
electrolyte is the mixture John had mentioned a while back.
I have 2 so far I've been experimenting with that seem to keep getting better with each cycle.
I charge for 5 minutes with 3 used AA batteries, after charging it settles in around 1.87 to 1.92 V
I discharge using Lidmotor's Penny circuit running 5 bright white LED's (7Ma) after it discharges for awhile the amperage draw drops off slowly.
I've been taking the batteries down to .500 during discharge, it takes 115 minutes and it keeps getting longer each cycle.
Mine also are growing the little BB size crystals all over the plates and in the bottom of the container.
The first one I made I conditioned it with the SG and it did just as well if not better.
I have let that one dry out completely, then put it back in the alum/mild acid solution, charge it up for a couple of minutes and it would also take all but 2 hours to discharge to .500 V
At this point I just keep cycling them to improve their performance. If I can figure out how to post pictures I'll do so.
I think I am going to build a case to hold seven of these individual cells which should give me something close to a real strong 12V battery.
Brian

[QUOTE=Carlos Galvis;6882]Hello all, whats going on? where is everybody? the cell is doing great, forming and charging with the sg... every time the capacity grows, it settels at 1.91V after 15min rest, the discharge is taking around 2 hours to reach 0.4V, and stays there, running the oscillator, keep in mind its a very small 3 plate cell. the discharge time also keeps growing as the oxide forms. I built a new cell to run an experiment, in this one i'm not using lead oxide, just to see if i can form the oxide from just putting charge on it, and have it perform as well as the one with the oxide built in. it's going well, but the discharge is much faster, so far it takes like 10 minutes to reach 0.6V, i guess, like John B. said, it takes a longer time to form the oxide, so the difference in the plates takes longer to grow. the cell has a very small ammount of SO4, its resistance is averaging 1.6 ohms.



I have a question for Mr. Bedini... i've seen that with the charging, the crystallization happens much faster, theres crystals growing everywhere, so im wondering if it would be beneficial to use a little cream of tartar in the mix, wich has been found to reduce the growth of the crystalls.... thanks!

[Carlos Galvis]

Hello all, whats going on? where is everybody? the cell is doing great, forming and charging with the sg... every time the capacity grows, it settels at 1.91V after 15min rest, the discharge is taking around 2 hours to reach 0.4V, and stays there, running the oscillator, keep in mind its a very small 3 plate cell. the discharge time also keeps growing as the oxide forms. I built a new cell to run an experiment, in this one i'm not using lead oxide, just to see if i can form the oxide from just putting charge on it, and have it perform as well as the one with the oxide built in. it's going well, but the discharge is much faster, so far it takes like 10 minutes to reach 0.6V, i guess, like John B. said, it takes a longer time to form the oxide, so the difference in the plates takes longer to grow. the cell has a very small ammount of SO4, its resistance is averaging 1.6 ohms.




I have a question for Mr. Bedini... i've seen that with the charging, the crystallization happens much faster, theres crystals growing everywhere, so im wondering if it would be beneficial to use a little cream of tartar in the mix, wich has been found to reduce the growth of the crystalls.... thanks!

cheers

carlos

[Carlos Galvis]

Hello all, i just had success with my build, it's a lead-Alum battery, using the mix described by john (Alum, H2O, So4, Hydrate#9, Sodium Silicate), the build is as exact as i could make it to the video on how to make the cell, where he pasted the plates with lead oxide... so far i'm forming it with the SSG machine, at 500Ma, its holding a charge of 1.85V, and drawing 60Ma from the oscillator. I don't have a way to chart the curve yet, but the program is on the way.... I'm noticing the same effect described by Fausto and john, its holding a steady charge of 0.5V on the sg oscillator, pretty amazing, has only been cycled 2 times, we'll see how it goes after a few more charges... heres some pics

[Carlos Galvis]

Hello everyone, First off, i'd like to thank Mr. bedini for such patience, and your will to teach, and share your investigation. you're the only inventor in the field of free energy that is doing this, that i know of, i hope and pray that you keep helping us this way, i am sure you will leave a deep footprint in this world, and it is our responsibility to take this work more seriously to be able to develop something that is really worthy. Thanks also to Fausto for your persistance and rigorous work, also good humor, i follow your work closely and quiet.

i have built crystal cells for almost 2 years now following up on the energeticforum thread, very interesting work there, i suggest you read thruogh it. i took a very long vacation after graduating in october, and now i see i missed quite a bit, im catching up now. i have read the entire thread, and i put together something you all might like. I made a PDF document with all the most relevant information on the lead alum cells, mostly the posts from John B.

Bedini posts on Lead Alum batteries - PDF

Also, i found this video that is not posted here, where John B. shows how to form the red lead on the plates without having to paste it,

FormingAbattery.wmv - YouTube.

Cheers all, and lets keep digging, i hope to read from you once more Mr. bedini, im begining new builds right now, will be posting results soon, first will be a replication on the 3 plate cell with the oxide pasted on the grid pattern lead plates, got my oxide very easy here in my country, pretty surprising...