How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[John_Bedini]

Branch,
That is right on one hand muriatic acid will burn you and on the other hand it's in balance or natural in the pool water. Chemistry at it's best and in balance. look at the amount copaired to the water in the pool, not much.

[Branch Gordon]

Is there a recommended voltage to stop discharging these batteries in real world applications? I know you said they can be discharged down to 0 volts without harm, but does that mean we should?

Also, are there any issues with discharging at a much higher rate than the recommended C20? Will that cause any harm?

[br0ns0n77]

Hey all - after charging the NAPA Legend 75 battery overnight at 2amps, the thing is solid as a rock today. I've successfully powered an inverter and am running a CFL lamp on it. Looks pretty solid. Below is a video showing the setup:

Lead Alum Car Battery Powering Inverter and CFL Lamp - YouTube

[machinationus]

Hey all - after charging the NAPA Legend 75 battery overnight at 2amps, the thing is solid as a rock today. I've successfully powered an inverter and am running a CFL lamp on it. Looks pretty solid. Below is a video showing the setup:

Lead Alum Car Battery Powering Inverter and CFL Lamp - YouTube

I just hope it works. Solar power? 1 watt to 1 pound of lead, that's what i got 8k
I am going to do a little test with the Alum with the freezing point any body know?

[trancedrum]

Alum PH

Hi All,

an update with my battery.
Today I reformed my battery with acid, I'll explain why in the video.
I also saw a change in an old battery that I had converted long ago. I think that has to do with the impedance. Maybe.
I'm waiting for the new CBA battery analyzer so better graphics.
This is really exciting, and this work with batteries is fantastic and very promising
Mr. Bedini I completely agree with you, "Knowledge is power and we need it." I remember long ago I drank water with Zeolite that supposedly fed cells more because it was wetter. So everything makes sense.
It's always nice to read your post and learn.
Sorry if my videos are a little confused, but practice makes you better.
Also uploading the video and change formats is becoming easier (Camara photo / video, Mac, Compressor, Final Cut Pro, Quick Time, MPEG4, and finally YouTube) is the reason why I'm still here at this time.
However, thanks to all, I enjoy learning.

regards Ralph

[James Milner]

You can check out solubility saturation points on Wikipedia. Just look up aluminium sulphate.
Here is a great graph to help you know what freezing temp is applicable for a specified concentration.

[Branch Gordon]

I ran a curve on a battery identical to the alum battery I converted, expect that it's still lead acid. Here are the curves side by side.

I still haven't added any acid to the alum battery...will be doing that today.

[LesK]

Late night discharge....

I was up late and did this video Unfortunately not able to see the numbers on the screen but I think you can tell what is going on.
The battery that I am using on this test is different than the others. It will continue to pull 1 amp under charge seemingly forever.
The other batteries will drop to almost zero amps when charged. This battery had been running for a few hours previous.
Now that I have the software running again I will start charting my other batteries maybe see some differences.

Les

[LesK]

Interesting voltage spikes

This is a little something on my next battery called battery "C" This battery is doing some very interesting stuff.
It charges very quickly two hours at 2 amps. It has been running my SS for the last six and a half hours. That is at one amp. It started at 9.362 volts and when loaded dropped to 8.609v
From there it was fairly linear. I accidently knocked the probe off for about half an hour before I realized, and you can see that on the screen shot.
But what I am seeing for some reason is that sometimes the voltage will go momentarily up. I don't know if it is some impedance change in the SS SSG, or the batteries under charge or some anomaly in the software...
I caught this one but most aren't this visible. I would like to think this is getting close to the right crystal structure and it is somehow picking up a bit of charge somewhere however unlikely that may seem.





Les

[Lidmotor]

1st go at computer graghing battery discharge

@All
I finally got my computer graphing setup working. I had a problem with my computer not wanting to talk to my meter but all is well now. I am taking a slightly different approach than everybody else right now. I am looking at "built from scratch" small cells rather than the full size batteries. The first thing that I did today was to compare one my test cells to a super capacitor. As expected the supercap graphed out as a straight line voltage dropping discharge. The cell that I show in this video is graphing out more like an alkaline battey that holds it's voltage better. This was my first time using a computer to watch the discharge on a battery. This is a great tool!

@John B.
The cell that I am testing here is the one that I talked to you about. It is a three plate cell that has the red lead paste in the plate holes. It is the strongest and most non-self discharging cell that I have made so far.

Lidmotor

[LesK]

Lidmotor,

Looks good. I am not sure what your comparison is between the cap and battery. If you are using the same load on them, then the cap would certainly have a faster discharge rate.
I am using an ammeter and it looks almost like these batteries are current devices. The voltage seems to linearly drop while the current seems to hold fairly steady. At least on the few tests I have done so far running my SSG.
Those smaller cells look like a lot of fun.

Les

[Lidmotor]

Les-- I just wanted to see if these lead -alum cells would look like a supercap on the computer discharge plot. It is now 11 pm and that cell is still running the motor (over 5 hours). The voltage is down to 1.35v so it has held up well. What I am looking to see is if there is a big rapid drop off right at the end. A supercap won't do that. It just discharges in a straight line all the way down. It is nice to have a tool now to plot these things.

Lidmotor

[LesK]

Ah yes, I see.
I am still cycling my batteries to see how much they will improve right now. But Without any measurements yet, the charge rate compared to the discharge (watt hours in/out) sure looks interesting.

Les

[nickle989]

@Lidmotor ... nice job on creating more surface area on the plates. The more area the better I would think as the crystaline structure has a lot more. I have the thought of running V grooves with some holes after.

Today is a good day as I finialy have everything to start my own conversions.

[LesK]

John,
I can tell I will be coming back to this post for years...
I got my Alum yesterday and mixed some up and converted a large battery. But what I noticed today is that the leftover mix did not form crystals like my previous mixes.
I thought I must have bought the wrong stuff, but found out that all the versions of alum make crystals. So I was stumped.
Then I ran into this site... Cochise College                P
They make this comment... "The saturated solution from cup#1 was poured into a new clean cup, so that no additional seed crystals would start to grow."

I suspect in my case the water may not have been heated sufficiently, or my mixture just happened to be the same as they are showing where no seed crystal will start to form. Is this a correct assessment?

This is a fascinating science. Sure is a lot of fun stuff to learn here. For Example I did not know Zeolite was usable for removing heavy metals from the body, and as a filter, and there seems to be a big difference between activated and in activated. Even though this is a synthetic it looks like what we have is referred to as an activated zeolite. Anyway the more I look into this the more important your comment below becomes. I am going to guess this is the most important thing we need to study right now.

Thank you again John
Les

Branch,
First of all you need to ask all the question you can about Crystal Cells. I have not really got into it yet here which would be solid state batteries.
I can look at your curve and see it's not quite balanced. I'm looking for the impedance switch in the curve. In the next video I'm going to point that out...... You need a syringe to draw some acid from another lead acid battery and place 1Ml in each cell, then charge to full. Then you use your charting equipment to follow the real world curve, meaning running a light bulb load or anything to take power from that battery. Then watch the curve again. The other thing is under a real world load the battery will follow a liner curve all the way down. The point then being, is the battery damaged and can it be recovered, lead acid maybe not, Alum yes. Why, because the sulphate is locked into the alum crystal between the plates. but what is that compound that the mixture is making? The answer to that question is Synthetic Zeolite, what does Zeolite do it traps things. So, Hydrates mixed with other Hydrates forms a Synthetic Zeolite so the Zeolite traps the SO4 in it's crystal. So lets take this further, The Zeolite is now electrical and can release the changed SO4 back into the water and your battery can charge back up and then discharge without damage as you can not sulphate the plates, watch the next video as boring as it is. If we all get better at this the batteries will last forever charging and discharging, and it can be done ( everything has already been done under the Sun on earth). The thing here is this is real advanced solid state in what is going on and I do not know all the answers yet. I can see what is happening by the cells I'm making and testing. I can not go into Marcus Reid here but just imagine electrons going around never ending supplying current the whole time, sailing ships never depleting the dipole, that is where we are going here. And since I moderate this I will not allow any nonsense. So I will take as much time as I need to, to explain the best as I can here. Everybody needs to think about what can be done if the energy we have today just vanished, light would be good for starters.
Knowledge is power and we need it