The Real History of the Ed Gray Motor by Mark McKay, E.E.

[Spokane1]

April 30, 2015

Dear E.V. Gray Researchers,

This is just a note to let you know that I have not given up the faith in this adventure. The progress has been slow but some advancements have been made and I have to retract and re-do some statements and/or beliefs that I have had in the past.

1. In one of my early historical timelines I maintained that the series of five (5) similar prototype motors (Models E-1 to E-5) were made in the late 60's. This is not correct. After taking a hard look at the electronic components used in their controller construction it became apparent that these machines were made in 1979 in Dodge City, KS. It seems that Gray was funded well enough to do an in depth study of this technology and improve upon the switching systems used. They also completely redesigned the electromagnets.

2. In the after lecture white board discussion at the Bedini conference in 2012 I maintained that the source power supply was of a classical construction. I was completely wrong on that issue. In the attic audio tapes that were recovered by George Durnford in 2014 Mr. Hackenberger definitely pointed at the power transformer as being the source of the anomalous energy.

3. In the early beginning (before 1972) it appears that the novel energy was generated from an external power supply. Then in 1973 they moved it into the EMA4-E2 using it both as an energy generator and torque converter. Then from 1976 on they moved it back to an external power supply. This makes reverse engineering much more difficult and hard to follow.

4. I'm more convinced then ever that the "Converter Element Switching Tube" (CEST) was a Red Herring.

5. More and more the circuit appears to be a Dual Bedini Motor on steroids. The big difference is the method employed to harvest the novel energy.

6. It is interesting but there was absolutely no patent protection on the actual circuit topology use to generate the anomalous energy. As a result the surviving power supply was cleverly crafted to appear to be a common forward converter with a few minor wiring connections. However, when Al Francouer disassembled the power transformer that is where the non-classical construction became apparent. From looking at the outside it appears as a common .5 kW power transformer. The ferrite "E" core is deceiving.

7. At the 2014 Bedini convention I proposed that the power supply was a "Resonate Mode Switching Power Supply". It is not. It is just like an isolated discontinuous buck-boost SMPS for the charging cycle. Then, because of the capacitor output loading, things change to more of an ignition transformer discharge process. The real divergence from classical power supply topology takes place after succeeding cycles.

8. The concept of "split the positive" actually does have a technical meaning in how the harvested energy is collected. Two storage capacitors are needed.

Maybe one of these days I shall figure out all these remaining clues and actually get somewhere with this technology.

Spokane1

[Spokane1]

Dear Faraday88,

According to the photographer who took those photos there were no visible arcs in those CEST grids. The photos were taken when the engine was not running. He thought those bright segments were reflections from his flash.

A lot of people have made a big deal about what they think they see in those photos. It certainly confuses the issue. Consider a simple engineering analysis. If those light streaks are indeed classical arcs then there is a dielectric breakdown taking place at that location. I observe several such arcs between all of the grids. Now the "Grids" were disclosed in the 1986 patent to have all been connected together. Therefore it would be impossible for all these series arcs to take place. If the patent is miss-leading and there is indeed a voltage breakdown between each of the four "Grids" shown then there has got to be a huge potential gradient present - say on the order of 50 kV. The rest of the system does not appear to be set up for this kind of voltage handling. But this is just my take on it.

If this photo provides your imagination with some inspiration then go where it leads you.

Mark McKay

[Faraday88]

Hi Mark,
Long time no see.. form my side its been a while that i was busy with other stuffs of up and down in life..
anyway here is the Image i managed to photograph from the back side of Peter's book..
Those Misterious Glow cable are distinct in these..
kindly observe them ..
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Hi Mark,
The forum is back..! and thanks for those stupendous monumental archives of photographs some of them as i said are unseen ones..!
and reveal a great understanding of the components involved..!
BTW : did Mr. Marvin Cole also disappear like Jim Watson... with offeres that he could not refuse..?
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[GlenWV]

Greetings all:

Doug Konzen can be found here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVGRAY/

glen

[Faraday88]

Hi Bromikey,

Dough Konzen is well known for his Pulse motor.. i'm not sure how he happen to get along with Aviso Ismael..
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Hi Bromikey,

Have you heard of Aviso Ismael...? This guy is supposed to have been close friend of one Mr. Dough Konzen (forum name KONEHEAD).
Aviso has apparently replicated the Gray Motor..
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Hi Dave ,
Sorry..for now Patients please..will soon post the clearer picture soon.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Dave Wing]

Faraday,

I cannot see anything you speak of from that picture you posted, as the picture is such poor quality.

[Faraday88]

Hi Aaron and Faraday

Thank you both for the eye opener. I never would have put two and two together.

Yes it is clearer now that the fellow doing what he thought was an Ed Gray off shoot is really more simple.

The Ed Gray systems used HV like the man in the video, plus he had capacitors and a switching apparatus.

The man in the video calls it "ALL MY TECHNOLOGY" then he says it is really Tesla.

I have constructed a heavy duty 2 amp energizer with capacitor discharge capable of maybe popping a battery but I am slow moving forward in my thought processes as to what to do with this new machine.

Again a big thanks to you two gentlemen for directing our thoughts as to what that man is actually doing.

I see coils Big Tesla style) used in conjunction with the SS SSG Energizers to achieve HV.

I also know that Tesla impulse Nodes can create an over unity system by shuttling energy around.

A simple battery changer circuit could be used keep the run battery full if and when more batteries are charged from the one.

I am undecided on the HV discharging systems.

One thing I can say is that coil matching networks should be able catch the energy produced in "THE EVENT"

like we see in the KAPAGEN.

Gray used his coils to harness the energy in the form of motor force but coils are a must.

My question is what coils, what size, what AWG, how many volts/turns?

A chock coil here or there? A HV coil where for what before and after step up step down??

Not got my head screwed on yet.

I will persist in this vane of thoughts till the lights turn on.

I see and understand the guys using Tesla coils to wirelessly transfer power across the room no trouble at all.

I see ERIC D and the to circular antenna coils transferring power from one location to another in a different way.

The HV discharging Tesla coil spark gap collection systems need to be properly investigated.

I will realize these potentials.

Mike

Hi Aaron/Bromikey,

In this attachment i have pointed out at an obscure looking device in the closet possiable picture of the CSET, whic is a cable like device with intermittent Glow seen in them...as we know.. strictly speaking the E.V Gray effect can be produced without the CSET, but i'am pondering on the engineering aspect of this device incorporated in the overall Motor functioning.
i have taken another picture of the CSET from the rare side of Peter's FESCE book where the resolution of the picture is clearer and shows these cables with distinct spark like glow in them.. i had observed this long time ago but it struck me again when Mark sent the closer picture.
Mark is apparently in denial on its presence. take a look in the attached photo.
i will send the picture taken by me from peter's book (rare side bottom centre photo ), In this photo it is clear to me that there are 3 such cables..! The other aspect of this saga is that the richard Hackenberger's techinical discussion notes is undisputed because of its Scientific varasity of explanations used. here:http://www.pureenergysystems.com/os/...dHackenberger/
I'm now of the opinion that Gray did actually had acquired the know-how from one Mr. Popoff (former associate of Dr. Tesla) and that the 'introduction' of Mr. Marvin Cole is questionable, The insight of technology by richard Hackenberger is evident from a development plan that he describes in the end portion of the tech discussion, which i strongly feel is co-related to the Stanley Meyer process.
Gray/ Hacken burger are indeed the original inventors of their Motor.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Hi Aaron,
First of all with all due respects to you in that demonstartion, i did not intend to condemn what you showed there, but its my contention is on asking if any body has shown the so-called 'secret mixing of the two forms of Energies (Gray's comments and Richard Hacenkberger's Techinical discussion notes) which makes the Electromagnets pop with tremendous force. Much of your explanation is in line with even what i think about the mechanism.
do you think Aviso ismael has acheived what he shows in that video..?(the Magnet/Coil set up, pops over 25 feet in Air)
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Hi Aaron,
Sorry for the delay in responding to this..i guess the forum site was under construction since last week...
Yes it seems so...in fact Tesla Switch is the way to go where you can combine the Positive and Negative Energy to see Overunity...
what say?
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi Faraday

Here is a guy who is running a Gray style motor he is pretty smart I think.
This is part 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlm6VjieRJQ

With his batteries/caps series and paralleled - I believe it is closer to the "Tesla Switch" method.

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi Mark,
First of all Thanks a million for the two Papers that you shared, yes i received them via mail.
My speculation on this Technology is puerly on the simple Popping Coil effect..if one can replicate this ....we have it done.. the Motor is then just an Engineered
embodiment of the effect. i have seen in some of the U-tube video posted by Aaron Murakami where he supposedly claims to have acheived the Popping effect..
but i am not conveinced on the Power levels exhibited by these demonstartaions.. the key is in the Energy Recycling mechnism by way of the 'Return-stroke' to the source Dipole (the Battery), this is process is perhaps what they terms as the Regauging.. or 3-Flip Inversion, where all the physical componets involved Flip-Invert their Functional behaviour and make it possiable to have a Energy recycle effect with out violating Conservation Law.
The photo is really awesome..! did you happen to dismantle one the coil to see how they were wound..? i'm curious!
Rgds,
Faraday88.

Faraday, my "coil popping" experiments are simple and I don't claim any magic. Anyone can make a coil repel another coil or repel a magnet. That is simply a coil in series with the plasma ignition type circuit. The cap is forced to accelerate its own discharge - a very valid negative resistance effect. I have my own model to explain it but that's irrelevant. That discharge pulses the coil and repels a magnet. If I had to coils in series and I made them repel, that would be the same concept only stronger. I was also using "flea power" compared to what Gray was using so please keep it in perspective that my experiment wasn't intended to demonstrate anything earth shattering.

However, in some crude experiments having a measurable amount of joules in a cap, a magnet of a certain weight was repelled into the air at a height, which exceeds the height that this amount of joules in the cap could have achieved. Again, very crude, but that is what I want to get back to when I have time. force x distance for that magnet will tell me how many joules of work is needed to lift that magnet at that weight to a certain height. The joules in the cap were actually less than that indicating a possible gain - I think it is from the accelerated time compression.

The joules are the same whether it is over a long time or short time.

However, we know that the effects of compressing work in time give much different results - we are creating very sharp gradients.
Tap a glass window 5 times very softly - nothing happens. Take the same joules and discharge it all in one quick punch and the glass crumbles to dust. Same input, but very different outcome.

On top of that, the acceleration of the cap discharge speed is compressing it in time that is shorter than what is supposed to be happening when you consider all the resistances and impedance that the cap is discharging into. I'm not an EE so will leave that to you guys to do the math on that but I do understand the nature of what is happening (in my own mind) and I get the principles of what is happening. When you have 2/3 of the cap discharge almost down in a straight line compared to it discharging close to a 45 degree line in normal circumstances, something interesting is happening there.

[Faraday88]

Hi Mark,
First of all Thanks a million for the two Papers that you shared, yes i received them via mail.
My speculation on this Technology is puerly on the simple Popping Coil effect..if one can replicate this ....we have it done.. the Motor is then just an Engineered
embodiment of the effect. i have seen in some of the U-tube video posted by Aaron Murakami where he supposedly claims to have acheived the Popping effect..
but i am not conveinced on the Power levels exhibited by these demonstartaions.. the key is in the Energy Recycling mechnism by way of the 'Return-stroke' to the source Dipole (the Battery), this is process is perhaps what they terms as the Regauging.. or 3-Flip Inversion, where all the physical componets involved Flip-Invert their Functional behaviour and make it possiable to have a Energy recycle effect with out violating Conservation Law.
The photo is really awesome..! did you happen to dismantle one the coil to see how they were wound..? i'm curious!
Rgds,
Faraday88.