Dr Robert Beck

[teej_seeker]

My latest Electrifier + CS Generator according to Dr Beck. It can run from single 9V battery for BE and external DC adapter for Colloidal Generator. It takes about 35min at room temp. to get a glass of 5ppm colloid. I'm using distilled water only. Just finished two units, one more to go.

Thanks
Vtech[ATTACH=CONFIG]1443[/ATTACH]

Hi Vtech,

can you please ship a couple of 'lean' units to Malaysia? By lean i mean the PCB, the casing. the rest I can procure locally. I'd be willing to help with your costs for those units.

cheers,

teej_seeker

[blackchisel97]

Hi teej_seeker.
I used my prototype boards for these units. I should have new pcb's done in less than 2 weeks and I'll have to assemble one to test if everything works ok. These pcb's will also include a timer based on CD4060. I can send it to you, no problem once I get more supplies. I don't have any lean unit at the moment. I ordered small amount of enclosures and other pcs for one batch. That was all I could afford. My budget is very limited and there is a long waiting time for some components.
I'll let you know once I have everything you're asking for.

Thanks
Vtech

[fractal prism]

Thanks for the thanks blackchisel.

Im looking for the simplest and cheapest possible way to have a 15 or 30 minute (heck even up to an hour) timer switch to build into the DIY colloidial silver circuit of 3 9v batteries + bulb... very simple and very cheap and very accessable. so it can be re-taught to people who really electronic amateurs. and re-taught, and retaught, and...

Thank you

[Prinsloo]

Hi fractal prism

The timing is very precise when making SC this way, you can’t just leave it for 1 hour,

Talk to Vtech his unit does have a timer, or If you build your own units use a timer like an egg timer that you can set or re-set if you need double the time and have an audible alarm that you can’t mis, (in fact you can put it in your pocket move around and do some work and not have to stand and watch it the whole time), and are available and cheap.

The SC made this way need to be used immediately, don’t try and stock pile it. Is the reason why it is made a glass or two at a time, quick and convenient.

Theunis

[blackchisel97]

Hi fractal prism.
I found CD4060 inexpensive and more reliable than LM555 as far as counter function. Total cost of parts is under $5, including universal pcb. I can draw this in layman version if there is an interest in such. The simpler way is a kitchen timer or one of those small gadgets - pocket size travel alarm clock.

Vtech

[fractal prism]

thank you, i will go with the egg timer or the pocket size alarm, as i am not set up for printing circuit boards, but thank you though. I will keep the CD4060 in mind. I store the CS in plastic, but ill take glass any day. i found out recently that #4 LDPE is definetly NOT what you want to store CS in. it turned yellow in less than a week, where another plastic bottle (type unknown) kept the original clear appearance of the Colloid. A batch is almost ready right now!
Here is a great video on making Colloidial silver. I hope you like it, as well as any 1st timers
How To Make Electric Disinfectant (Colloidial Silver) - YouTube

[blackchisel97]

I would suggest using glass only for making and dark glass for storage. However, I prefer to use fresh. It only takes 40 min to make a glass. I just had a fight with a nasty flu brought home by family member. It took 36hrs to get rid of all symptoms. I used electrifier 2hrs/day and CDS to finish the job. It is important to have large fluid intake to flush waste out of our bodies. Colloid will do this job as well but I have an "automated" setup for CDS which makes a quart in minutes.

Thanks
Vtech

[ZPDM]

Hi Prinsloo,

Technically the way the FDA interprets the regs you can't say water cures dehydration as that would make water a drug for the indication of dehydration, which hasn't been evaluated by the FDA. Again they have lost on First Amendment grounds every single time (it's actually one lawyer for the most part that keeps shooting them down but I don't recall his name at the moment) still they keep suing and prosecuting people they find a nuisance. It is of course applied selectively, Vtech nailed the issue with "uninterrupted business". So I felt I had to have my say but I do think it is a good thing for people to be healthy and as for the rest Illegitimi non carborundum.

P

[fractal prism]

Hope you feel better blackchisel. Speaking of large fluid intake, i recently built a water ozonator, and am looking to rebuild it, with a higher air flow rate, as the element gets quite hot. I am thinking of using an air mattress pump, goiing to a chamber with the ozone generator, and have a tube around 1/2" OD leaving the chamber to go into a glass, or garden sprayer, for larger steralizing appliceations. ..another emement im toying around with is how to make small cotton sheaths to slide over the stainless steel electrodes of the blood electrifier. The Dental floss is tricky to tie. I bet those little dental rubber bands for braces can keep the cotton tight.

[Prinsloo]

blame game

Hi Prinsloo,

Technically the way the FDA interprets the regs you can't say water cures dehydration as that would make water a drug for the indication of dehydration, which hasn't been evaluated by the FDA. Again they have lost on First Amendment grounds every single time (it's actually one lawyer for the most part that keeps shooting them down but I don't recall his name at the moment) still they keep suing and prosecuting people they find a nuisance. It is of course applied selectively, Vtech nailed the issue with "uninterrupted business". So I felt I had to have my say but I do think it is a good thing for people to be healthy and as for the rest Illegitimi non carborundum.

P

ZPDM

You should find that lawyer and make him President !

Sorry bud, I just get so angry at people and institutions that want to control other peoples life's for their own benefit and to the detriment of the rest.

Even here in SA, it all started when governments assets where privatized late 80’s, then 1994 with Socialist take over, (being sold out by the very guys that privatized the government (sold the country)), now all of a sudden they are the experts and want to control/run all business! LOL

I think it’s about time that organized business say “it is enough” and start telling the governments what they want and not the other way round.

Theunis

[blackchisel97]

Hi Prinsloo,

Technically the way the FDA interprets the regs you can't say water cures dehydration as that would make water a drug for the indication of dehydration, which hasn't been evaluated by the FDA. Again they have lost on First Amendment grounds every single time (it's actually one lawyer for the most part that keeps shooting them down but I don't recall his name at the moment) still they keep suing and prosecuting people they find a nuisance. It is of course applied selectively, Vtech nailed the issue with "uninterrupted business". So I felt I had to have my say but I do think it is a good thing for people to be healthy and as for the rest Illegitimi non carborundum.P

I wouldn't make such claim without knowing which water has been referred to. Not every water is hydrating and this is due to the structure and energetic level. Stalled water will not hydrate despite large intake. It is not how much but what we drink that matters. Water is a living body which responds to magnetic fields, vibrations (sound, light) and more.
It will be difficult to evaluate without fully understanding this beautiful compound especially, when there is no profit looming on the horizon.

Vtech

[blackchisel97]

Thank you fractal prism, I'm bulletproof.
If you can find some nice lady with lots of free time and sewing machine........ You supply the cotton and box of chocolates.
It will take a few minutes to make narrow long sleeve which can be sewn and cut across into small sections.

Vtech

[blackchisel97]

Theunis, I've been angry, upset and frustrated many times over the years. I've lost everything I had, including tools, lab more than once. Those feelings are counterproductive and draining vital energy. It took me years but I was finally able to develop certain attitude which is referred as a "wisdom" by some. I call it - "don't give a s*** anymore" attitude and try to apply to every potential trouble looming over my life as well as let those behind to know how I feel about them. Works great

Colloidal silver is older than 1938 and doesn't fit under any regulations. Red Light Therapy - generally safe - no problem.
Microcurrents - used and approved for TENS and CES units. Beck's unit operates on even lower values. Almost everything can be made and sold. There are laws and loopholes. Right name or wording can get you thru or land you in trouble. It is all game. Medical researcher or practitioner can legally construct and use a device in his own practice. He can't sell it but....he can show others how to make it. I've been asked once about one device on a dash of my car and what it does. I don't know - I replied, it is experimental but it suppose to make me feel good. Nothing illegal in feeling good LOL.

Vtech

[ZPDM]

Prinsloo,
There does seem to be a "the lunatics are running the asylum" pattern going on.

Vtech,

I understand the structure and behavior of water are quite complex I'll take your word for it that some forms of water are less adept at physiologically hydrating. One more off topic excursion than something on topic There is one drug that has never been looked at let alone approved by the FDA and for which a clear (though not adequately supported) health claim is made. Namely fluoride in the water for dental caries. I've looked into it a decent amount, suffice it to say it is awful to worse than that. You know you may have a problem when there are diseases (dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis) named for exposure to it. There is too much to get into on your thread but the last CDC survey found over 30 percent of adolescents in the U.S. now have some degree of dental fluorosis (and if that disease is present - there are other untoward effects that would be expected as well). They also fluoridate the salt now in much of Europe, Central and South America, swell, way to go World Health Organization. Practically what I would like to know is if a carbon based filter removes not sodium fluoride, but the industrial waste sodium flourosilicates that are dumped in the water. I'd bet a dollar no-ones ever looked or looked that is publishing the results.

The on topic question, I think I gather from what you have said that you only use distilled water in making CS, is that correct? Do you see a problem with using unpolluted well water or tap water run through a carbon filter? Thanks.
Paul

[blackchisel97]

Hi Paul.

Despite the fact that many technologically advanced countries have stopped or banned the use of fluoride in water, the U.S. and Canada continue to promote water fluoridation. Fluoride (in the form of sodium fluoride, fluorosilicic acid, or sodium fluorosilicate) is added to many municipal water systems. Yet according to a growing number of scientific studies, fluoride is a health risk at any level. In January 2011, Health and Human Services and the Environmental Protection Agency announced their intent to review the maximum allowable amount of fluoride in drinking water. This was based on recent data that indicates allowable levels may be contributing to dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis and other symptoms. A shocking 41% of adolescents 12-15 years old in fluoridated communities now have dental fluorosis!
Dental fluorosis is a defect in the enamel of the teeth caused by too much fluoride. Affected teeth show discoloration, ranging from white spots to brown and black stains. Teeth with fluorosis are more porous. In severe cases, the porosity results in extensive pitting, chipping, fracturing, and decay of the teeth.
Most fluoride that is added to municipal water is an unnatural form of fluoride that contains sodium. It is over 80 times more toxic than naturally-occurring calcium fluoride. The Material Data Safety Sheet (MSDS) for sodium fluoride shows the lethal dose (LD-50) that will kill 50% of a population of rats is 52 mg/kg. (That’s why it is used as rat poison.) The LD-50 for calcium fluoride is 4250 mg/kg.—less toxic than table salt.
The fluoride ion (F-) is extremely reactive and strongly attracted to calcium. Its preference for calcium overrides its attraction to other ions. In nature, fluoride is most often bound to calcium. When fluoride is added to water in the sodium form, it is only a matter of time before the sodium is exchanged for calcium. When sodium fluoride is ingested, it rapidly robs the body of calcium. In fact, sodium fluoride poisoning results when calcium is stolen from the blood. The anecdote (calcium) makes enough calcium available so that it does not have to be stolen from the body.
According to the National Academy of Sciences, fluoride is not an essential nutrient and no amount of fluoride is necessary in the human body. The human body does not need fluoride for any physiological process and no human disease will result from a “deficiency” of fluoride. Because it has no physiological function, when fluoride cannot be immediately excreted (via kidneys) it is taken to parts of the body where it can be sequestered. It is attracted first to calcified areas (teeth, bones, and pineal gland) and also ends up in nerve and connective tissues.
The use of fluoride in drinking water is the result of a huge campaign to dispose of unnatural forms of fluoride. These are waste products from aluminum, steel, cement, phosphate, and nuclear weapons manufacturing. The truth is, fluoride is a proven neurotoxin; it causes birth defects, impairs the immune system, causes muscular weakness, gastrointestinal symptoms, and bone and joint symptoms; it suppresses thyroid function, and it causes permanent disfiguration of teeth. Fluoride is also a cumulative poison. While small amounts taken on a daily basis may not be noticeable, the long term effects will definitely affect a person’s quality of life as it builds up in the body. Also, a fluoride added to water often carries other toxic materials which may include lead, mercury, arsenic, and cadmium. Isn't that cute?
To complicate matters, fluoride is absorbed through the skin, and by inhalation. Showering and bathing in fluoridated water is also a problem. Fluoride is actually more dangerous when absorbed through the skin and/or lungs because it enters the bloodstream more easily, bypassing the gut where it binds with minerals from food. When it is not feasible to remove the fluoride from your entire water supply, limiting time in the shower or bath and reducing the temperature of the water helps minimize the amount of fluoride absorbed. To top it all off, fluoride is difficult to remove from water. Most water filter sales literature avoids the subject. When buying a water filter, you may be comforted by reading that the system you are purchasing removes 95 to 99% of contaminants, but if it does not specifically state that it removes fluoride, you can bet it doesn’t. Fluoride is a very small ion (atomic number 9). It cannot be “filtered” out of water. At this time, fluoride removal is limited to four main methods:
1. Distillation
Distillation is capable of removing just about anything (except volatile compounds) from water. If you have a distiller, you can remove fluoride. The obvious drawback to distillation is that the process is time and energy consumptive and that it requires about 5 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of distilled water. Distillation also leaves the resulting water empty and lifeless. If you use distilled water you need to add minerals (salts) back to the water. What also should be considered is structuring and energetically enhancing distilled water (returning the life force). This is something I'm working on.
2. Reverse Osmosis
Reverse osmosis (RO) represents a reverse of normal osmotic processes. It relies on pressure and a semi-permeable membrane to remove contaminants from water. RO can remove between 90 and 95% of fluoride (depending on the efficiency of the system and depending on how well the system is maintained). Contaminants are trapped by the RO membrane and flushed away in the waste water. The process requires between 2 and 4 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of RO water (depending on the quality of the water and the efficiency of the RO unit). Source water with an abundance of contaminants (including hard water) can reduce the efficiency of an RO system and it can shorten the life of the membrane.
Similar to distillation, RO has a good track record for removing almost everything from water. Quality RO systems include pre-filters to remove VOCs (volatile organic compounds), heavy metals, hard water minerals, and other contaminants that reduce the life of RO membranes. And similar to distillation, RO leaves water empty and lifeless. The addition of salts and the re-introduction of life force are necessary to bring RO water back to energetic compatibility with the human body.
3. Activated alumina
Fluoride is strongly attracted to activated alumina (corundum/aluminum oxide) which has a large surface area with a huge array of tunnel-like pores. For this reason, activated alumina is the most commonly used fluoride removal media today. When used properly, it can remove up to 98% of the fluoride in water while also removing arsenic. The challenges with activated alumina are many. First of all, since the process works by ion exchange, the water must remain in contact with the media for an extended period of time—long enough for the fluoride to be adsorbed by the media. When the flow rate is faster than ¼ gallon/minute, there is not enough time to adsorb all the fluoride in the water. Another difficulty with activated alumina is that the media becomes saturated with fluoride. Depending on the amount of media in the system (how large the filter is) and on the amount of fluoride in the water, systems using activated alumina either need to be recharged or replaced often. The last difficulty with activated alumina is that aluminum is released into the treated water. This effectively trades one problem for another. Some systems address this; others do not.
There are many point-of-use filters that claim to remove fluoride using activated alumina. The problem with most of these systems is that they only work for a short period of time (usually far less than claimed) before they become saturated. The other difficulty is that point-of-use systems do not slow the flow rate enough to provide adequate time for adsorption. Recent testing of a variety of these filters revealed that few functioned as claimed for more than a few weeks. Unless the activated alumina can be cleaned and recharged or replaced regularly, and unless the flow rate is slow enough to allow time for adsorption, activated alumina may not be what you are looking for.
There are some “tank” type fluoride removal systems that are capable of working for many years with a back washing and recharging cycle and an occasional topping off of the media. These systems are often used to remove fluoride from the whole home. Many consider them the answer to the fluoride problem. They are not. The drawback to this type of system is an environmental problem. Caustic chemicals are required to backwash (sodium hydroxide) and to recharge (sulfuric acid) the media—chemicals that end up in the waste water. And when these “tanks” are eventually replaced, they end up in a landfill, loaded with fluoride, arsenic, lead, mercury and cadmium.
4. BC-Carbon
Bone-Char (BC) Carbon has been used for centuries to remove naturally-occurring fluoride from water. It works similar to the way bones in the human body attract fluoride. Bone contains a porous matrix that is rich in surface ions. These can be readily replaced by fluoride and by some of the other contaminants that arrive along with fluoride (heavy metals). Bone char effectively removes a number of contaminants.
BC-Carbon can remove up to 90% of the fluoride in water. The efficiency of bone char can be improved by adding pre-filters that remove heavy metals and other contaminants before exposure to the BC-carbon. Bone char works best at a slightly acidic pH and may not work as well with hard water. But this method is also not without problems. Obviously, bone char is an organic medium. Medical grade bone char is important to ensure that the bone char itself is clean.

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